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Old 08-28-2007, 04:07 PM   #11 (permalink)
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HD really got their panties in a bunch when the Shadow 1100 ACE came out--I remember that so vividly. When my hubby and i use to go to different bike events we had people saying how big the oil cooler was on the Harley (our ACE lol)--had to come up from behind them to tell them it was a radiator. When Yamaha came out with the Roadie HD was not pleased with that either--I remember talking to the Yamaha guys at a show once and they were telling me the bike would take PM rims for a Harley because the hubs and bearings were identical. I am sure though it probably won't be the last of legal BS the motor company will pull. There is always something they will gripe about.
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Old 08-28-2007, 07:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Harley did sue honda over the shadow in 83 and won. That is why the 84 shadow has one pipe on each side. They then asked Honda to show them how to build a better motorcycle releasing some design right in the deal.
That is when the Harley eveloution engine was born.

The info is from one of the american big twin publications a few years ago.
printed in an american bike publication I have to assume it is true.

Whenever I get a harley wanabe downing my shadow I bring this up and it usually shuts them up.
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:13 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Here is another story link about HD dropping the suit:

http://www.wherethepoweris.com/news_article.asp?id=487
It is interesting that the above article says the HD lawsuit was started in 1994 (this is the same year that the single crank pin 1995 Honda ACE 1100s were introduced) and the lawsuit was dropped in 2000 (which was the last year for the single crank pin 1100 Hondas). More than coincidence?

Also, does anyone know if the Japanese brought a lawsuit against HD when HD came out with the VRod using overhead cams and water cooling which the Japanese had been doing for years?
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Old 08-28-2007, 11:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
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One story I heard was that HD sued Honda over the "Made in USA" claim and that "Made in USA" that was printed on the back of the seats of Hondas a few years ago. HD claimed that many or most of the parts were imported and were only assembled in USA. I don't know the outcome but I don't see made in USA on Honda seats any more. I know that they are assembled in Ohio and that Honda has an engine plant there. I don't know if they only assemble them there or actually make the entire bike there. I would guess that not all the parts of the HD are US made either. So how much of something do you have to make in USA before you can claim made in USA status?
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Well, in the case of the ACE and Shadow 1100 models, the engine/tranny setup and suspension components were made in Japan and the rest of the parts were made in the USA like the frame, tank, electrical items like the CDI box--I think I have that in an article from when the ACE was the new kid on the block in the 90's--I'll have to find it and scan it. In all reality, there are many foreign parts on the Harleys including their OEM accessories. A lot of HD guys do not realize that their forks and shocks are made by SHOWA, a company owned by HONDA. Most of the accessories I have bought for the Road King like the chrome doo-dads and such are made in either Taiwan or China it seems like. Go figure.
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One story I heard was that HD sued Honda over the "Made in USA" claim and that "Made in USA" that was printed on the back of the seats of Hondas a few years ago. HD claimed that many or most of the parts were imported and were only assembled in USA. I don't know the outcome but I don't see made in USA on Honda seats any more. I know that they are assembled in Ohio and that Honda has an engine plant there. I don't know if they only assemble them there or actually make the entire bike there. I would guess that not all the parts of the HD are US made either. So how much of something do you have to make in USA before you can claim made in USA status?


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