Remember the Dump Truck driver that ran thru the group of riders...

[1150ap]

Originally Posted by jpr1968

They found no evidence of mechanical failure and he had meth in his system, What more evidence do you need. 26 years for killing 4 people is not enough.

I am with jpr1968

[vito]

Originally Posted by Convict1997

You obviously know more about the case than I do so I can't argue it with you. I still stand my my previous statement, though. The fact that the information may be readily available doesn't mean everyone is familiar with it. I'd suspect that most, like myself, haven't seen anything other that the original report and the update you posted here. And they've still banded together with torches and pitch forks, ready to storm the castle and find Frankenstein's monster.

One poster said he probably won't make it out.
One said that he might catch a shiv.
One said 'let the games begin'.
A few feel that 26 years isn't enough.

Where's the pitchforks and torches? Not one post involved what should be done to the guy, just speculation on his future.

Pull the line out of the water already.

[ejsaenz]

Originally Posted by Convict1997

There is a prosecution AND a defense. The jury hears from both sides. In your example, it sounds like one or the other didn't do their job well enough. Not really relevant to the current topic, though.



How long does that drug stay in your system? Say the driver decided to do some (enter drug of choice here) at a party a week ago. Ends up in an accident this week. I doubt he's still under the effects of that drug, but it's still in his system. Obviously, the consequences regarding his CDL should still apply but, did the fact that the drug was still in his system actually contribute to the accident? Still burn him at the stake?

This guy gets it.

It doesn't matter how long, when or how much. He is a professional driver. He holds a Commercial Driver's License (CDL) he knows better. If he wanted to become a drugstore, he should have turned in his license and quit his job as a commercial driver. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. No excuses.

[98Aero1100]

From what I was told by one of the instructors at the motorcycle school I went to, the truck driver was not the only negligent person in the accident. I was told that the motorcyclists, while waiting for the signal to change, were in neutral and not paying attention to what may be coming from any direction. If they had been in gear, ready to roll, looking around, they would've had a better chance. The truck driver would have been just as moronic. He still would have an illegal drug in his system. But, by being ready to go and looking around (in their rear view, too) might have helped them avoid the fate that they met that day, almost three years ago. I rarely sit at a stop in neutral for that reason. If I take her out of gear, it has to be for a damn good reason.

The driver was convicted. No one is certain of how he will spend the time he has been given to spend out of society. He will never be allowed to vote or hold a CDL, again. We can only hope that he makes the most of our tax dollars.


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[justinmahn]

98Aero1100, I'm going to have to viciously disagree with both you and your instructor. At no time is sitting still on a road a sufficient reason to be run over. Yes, they might have been able to dodge better, but it grieves me to think that the bikers could be faulted for just being on the road.

[Paulie]

No malice or premeditation that we know of. At his age he got a life sentence. Justice was done.

[brewman]

Originally Posted by Paulie

No malice or premeditation that we know of. At his age he got a life sentence. Justice was done.

Sorry, but he made a conscious decision to drive a 23,000 lb vehicle under the influence. I know that's not the legal definition of premeditation in this case, but it's close enough for me.

[kacealraid]

I am a strong believer in self-liberty. I find it silly that many jobs are given and taken away by whether or not you have had a substance absorbed into your body in the last month or not. But...

I do believe this guy should be punished severely for his actions. He cost several people their lives, and the rest, their livelihood. I'm sure the ones that made it are suffering PTSD and may not ride anytime soon, the rest are just hurt heavily and had to wait to be able to work/get back on the ride/etc.

Can they prove whether or not the substance was in his system in the last 24 hours? If not, I don't think it should even be brought up as evidence in the case. The fact of the matter remains: he reckless drove a ginormous vehicle into innocent "people." Cagers, bikes, pedestrians, it doesn't matter. He hit and killed human beings.

[ejsaenz]

Originally Posted by kacealraid

I am a strong believer in self-liberty. I find it silly that many jobs are given and taken away by whether or not you have had a substance absorbed into your body in the last month or not. But...

Can they prove whether or not the substance was in his system in the last 24 hours? If not, I don't think it should even be brought up as evidence in the case. The fact of the matter remains: he reckless drove a ginormous vehicle into innocent "people." Cagers, bikes, pedestrians, it doesn't matter. He hit and killed human beings.

Self liberty is great, this guy took it and guess what, he broke the law and it was a circumstance to his getting sent to prison for a long time.

In case some people still haven't gotten it... A Commercial Driver's License requires you to take random drug and alcohol testing.

If you don't want to take these tests, don't get a CDL. Find another job. Sell shoes, flip burgers or serve coffee at Starbucks. Part of getting a CDL is understanding that you will be randomly tested and you will be tested after an accident. It doesn't matter if you took the drug a month earlier. If you had a CDL at any point before you took the drug, you have violated the conditions of having said license. At that point, you have done a self-libery action and you may lose your liberty by said action.

My line of work sometimes requires me to send people to get drug tested for safety reasons. A person who may be impaired by drugs, prescribed or not, may cause injury or death to himself, a co-worker or the public, or cause significant equipment damage. Some trades just require that. If you want the big bucks, put on your big boy pants and understand that there are requirements to having certain jobs.

[kacealraid]

Originally Posted by ejsaenz

Self liberty is great, this guy took it and guess what, he broke the law and it was a circumstance to his getting sent to prison for a long time.

In case some people still haven't gotten it... A Commercial Driver's License requires you to take random drug and alcohol testing.

If you don't want to take these tests, don't get a CDL. Find another job. Sell shoes, flip burgers or serve coffee at Starbucks. Part of getting a CDL is understanding that you will be randomly tested and you will be tested after an accident. It doesn't matter if you took the drug a month earlier. If you had a CDL at any point before you took the drug, you have violated the conditions of having said license. At that point, you have done a self-libery action and you may lose your liberty by said action.

My line of work sometimes requires me to send people to get drug tested for safety reasons. A person who may be impaired by drugs, prescribed or not, may cause injury or death to himself, a co-worker or the public, or cause significant equipment damage. Some trades just require that. If you want the big bucks, put on your big boy pants and understand that there are requirements to having certain jobs.

In the case of working heavy machinery, I can agree with you.