Curious..

[metlcutr55]

CD, just to the west of you in Claremont the cops watched us like hawks in the early 70's, we were riding a mixture of mostly mid size bikes, 305, 350, 450 hondas, 500 triumph, 350 harley, and maybe a sportster. mine was a 175 bridgestone twin dad half financed, he would not go in on the 450 ducati single, which was probably a good choice for my health. after the stone, some of us got into the enduro bikes, 125 suzuki for me, others had 175 kaw, 350 kaw, 250 suzuki hustler and some rd 350s and some kaw triples. any attention given us by the local man was well deserved, it would be unfair to not mention we baited them a bit ourselves, and we all survived except for the triumph guy, oddly enough as i told you before, his name was the same as yours.

riding my bikes solo or with the cruiser crowd, never an issue. i do run with the advrider crowd sometimes, we tend to be a little "sportier", and we have drawn attention, once again, deserved. always seem to get of with a finger shake or a warning.

ive had folk tell me the cops were harassing them, never experienced it myself.

in the late 90's, early 00's in Island Pond VT there was a sheriff who harassed bikes unmercifully, 37 in a 35, stopped 1 ft in front of the white stop sign line, horseshit like that. after a couple years, the voters shitcanned him, too many complaints. we all know there are assholes wherever you go. newburyport mass still has that reputation. never been there, seen no reason to go.

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[John Hopkins]

Originally Posted by ejsaenz

Here's a visual guide to tell the difference:



Before anyone gets their "chones" (pronounced in my area as cho-knees) in a bind, my parents are hispanic. I'm an American, not a hyphen American.

Yeah..that's as clear as mud..OK I can see that the one on the right has a mustache and hair and I can see that they are not related to the old ones on the left..But color..we have so many people in the same family with more difference than that, my mates son was on vacation in Phuket, laying on the beach and someone came up to him and started talking to him in Urdu..He had to stop him and said I don't understand I'm Welsh..You have to look like Cassius Clay or Ghandi before we notice color over here..

John.

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by metlcutr55

CD, just to the west of you in Claremont the cops watched us like hawks in the early 70's, we were riding a mixture of mostly mid size bikes, 305, 350, 450 hondas, 500 triumph, 350 harley, and maybe a sportster. mine was a 175 bridgestone twin dad half financed, he would not go in on the 450 ducati single, which was probably a good choice for my health. after the stone, some of us got into the enduro bikes, 125 suzuki for me, others had 175 kaw, 350 kaw, 250 suzuki hustler and some rd 350s and some kaw triples. any attention given us by the local man was well deserved, it would be unfair to not mention we baited them a bit ourselves, and we all survived except for the triumph guy, oddly enough as i told you before, his name was the same as yours.

riding my bikes solo or with the cruiser crowd, never an issue. i do run with the advrider crowd sometimes, we tend to be a little "sportier", and we have drawn attention, once again, deserved. always seem to get of with a finger shake or a warning.

ive had folk tell me the cops were harassing them, never experienced it myself.

in the late 90's, early 00's in Island Pond VT there was a sheriff who harassed bikes unmercifully, 37 in a 35, stopped 1 ft in front of the white stop sign line, horseshit like that. after a couple years, the voters shitcanned him, too many complaints. we all know there are assholes wherever you go. newburyport mass still has that reputation. never been there, seen no reason to go.

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Wasn't that area the stomping grounds of either the Undivided or the Mountain Men?

[zilliox]

Originally Posted by Puffinator87

I was harassed for wearing my skull printed neoprene mask a few weeks ago. A bike cop pulled up next to me at a red light and told me that the mask set off the wrong impression. Mind you I was wearing a pair of dress slacks and dress shoes, on my way back from lunch, and my jacket. Apparently my mask made me appear like a 1%er to the cop. Funny, given I'm not in an mc and wear no patches at all. He then followed me all the way back to the office, to "make sure I was doing what I said I was." His words exactly. Sigh


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That sir is blatant harassment.

[DarkAero]

Originally Posted by Kitulu

I get harassed on a more or less regular basis by the Army because I ride...

Required to take the BRC before riding. (not a bad thing)

Required to take the ERC within a year after taking the BRC. (still not a bad thing)

Have to take a one-day "refresher course" after being deployed or TDY (without access to a bike) for more than 180 days (WTF? NOBODY has to take an AUTOMOBILE refresher course after deployment!)

Required to wear, at a minimum; over the ankle shoes or boots, long sleeve shirt (or jacket), long pants, full finger gloves, DOT approved helmet, and eye protection...sunglasses do not count unless they are safety rated, windshields do not count either. (not getting into the AGATT argument, but there are some who whould prefer to wear less gear)

*Required to wear either a reflective belt or vest, depending on the post.*

*This is the one that really gets me. The Army safety regulation says NOTHING about requiring Soldiers to wear reflective belt or vest. It ALSO states that Commanders are encouraged NOT to add to the requirements. Yet, most Army posts require it. Ironically enough, on Ft. Rucker it is no longer required. Yes, Ft. Rucker, home of the Army Safety Center, does not require reflective anything. Apparently, they did a study and found that the reflective stuff was more of a distraction and otherwise made no difference.

And the final harassment? Try serving under a Commander (either Company, Battalion, or Brigade) that HATES motorcycles. We got to hear about it every. damn. day. When I went on R&R from A'stan, I was verbally told to not ride. Yeah, like THAT was gonna happen!

In the civilian world, I have experienced no harassment.

Only good thing about the Army requirements is that they pay for the classes or offer them for free on post.

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[vito]

Originally Posted by Kitulu

I get harassed on a more or less regular basis by the Army because I ride...

Required to take the BRC before riding. (not a bad thing)
Required to take the ERC within a year after taking the BRC. (still not a bad thing)
Have to take a one-day "refresher course" after being deployed or TDY (without access to a bike) for more than 180 days (WTF? NOBODY has to take an AUTOMOBILE refresher course after deployment!)
Required to wear, at a minimum; over the ankle shoes or boots, long sleeve shirt (or jacket), long pants, full finger gloves, DOT approved helmet, and eye protection...sunglasses do not count unless they are safety rated, windshields do not count either. (not getting into the AGATT argument, but there are some who whould prefer to wear less gear)
*Required to wear either a reflective belt or vest, depending on the post.*
*This is the one that really gets me. The Army safety regulation says NOTHING about requiring Soldiers to wear reflective belt or vest. It ALSO states that Commanders are encouraged NOT to add to the requirements. Yet, most Army posts require it. Ironically enough, on Ft. Rucker it is no longer required. Yes, Ft. Rucker, home of the Army Safety Center, does not require reflective anything. Apparently, they did a study and found that the reflective stuff was more of a distraction and otherwise made no difference.
And the final harassment? Try serving under a Commander (either Company, Battalion, or Brigade) that HATES motorcycles. We got to hear about it every. damn. day. When I went on R&R from A'stan, I was verbally told to not ride. Yeah, like THAT was gonna happen!
In the civilian world, I have experienced no harassment.

The increased 'regulations' you face are due to the fact that the military realized they were losing an inordinate amount of young people to mc crashes. I think the USMC had the worst stats when it came to this. If you think about the age group and the culture it makes sense.

Anyway...thank you for your service and I hope you can enjoy the civilian world 100% of the time very soon.

[DarkAero]

Originally Posted by vito

The increased 'regulations' you face are due to the fact that the military realized they were losing an inordinate amount of young people to mc crashes. I think the USMC had the worst stats when it came to this. If you think about the age group and the culture it makes sense.

Anyway...thank you for your service and I hope you can enjoy the civilian world 100% of the time very soon.

The increased regulations are so that commanders all the way up the chain can cover their own ass. They need to have something tangible to point to so they can say, "Gee it wasn't my fault!" Although I agree that the BRC class is important and valuable, some commanders do harrass Soldiers who ride because God forbid something happens and they have to write a serious incident report and answer to higher!

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[vito]

Originally Posted by DarkAero

The increased regulations are so that commanders all the way up the chain can cover their own ass. They need to have something tangible to point to so they can say, "Gee it wasn't my fault!" Although I agree that the BRC class is important and valuable, some commanders do harrass Soldiers who ride because God forbid something happens and they have to write a serious incident report and answer to higher!

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You can sum up all the animus you wish, but you're missing the point.....THIS is why the regulations are in place....

As deaths spike, motorcycle training pushed for troops - USATODAY.com

[metlcutr55]

Originally Posted by CrazyDave

Wasn't that area the stomping grounds of either the Undivided or the Mountain Men?

at those times im not sure. i left claremont in the early 70's, made a few trips to loudon before then, in those days much of the party was up behind the track, up on "the hill". to ride ones bridgestone 175 there was ok, but to ride it up onto the hill would have been a bad choice, i have seen a few campfires made from some gasoline and a jap bike. returning there in the late 90's early 00's seen the same thing, but those bikes non runners brought in by "biker" folk to re-create the show from the "good old days" or should i say the bad old days. the hill which had been acres of woods with dirt roads and enclaves of individual groups (clubs?) with their own spaces had been stripped of trees and was a big field with the "biker" contingent way up on the backside, an open party thing rather than a club thing. even the police and fireman riders had their own area, that would not have happened in 1970. they were as rowdy as anyone, just wouldnt have happened when the hill was the hill, if you know what i mean. by my last trip in 2004 it was yuppies with campers mostly. occ stuff mixed with sportbikes. the cry for women to expose themselves was diminshed, tho thankfully not gone .

ive gone off track. not much club stuff around in the 70s that i saw. upon my return around 1980, the Freelancers were the local harley club, an MC but at what level and supporting who i dunno. they ran an event for a number of years in lempster and unity nh called the lost lid boogie, big party with old school style drinking, drugging, and nudity. the lid referred to both the repeal of the nh helmet laws and a lid, the old term for an oz of pot. they would hide an oz in an old helmet for one lucky person to find. i believe it faded out when there were possibly conflicts between this local club and larger regional clubs, but thats just my foggy memory. i believe the closest similar thing remaining is the harley rendevous in ny. i dont remember an undivided or mountain men influence in this area but im certainly no insider. i did enjoy the drinking, drugs and nudity tho

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