Helmet noise level and police.

[Bowie-]

Originally Posted by 93gc40

Get your ears checked.... If I can hear with a helmet on, at the track. You should be able to hear a cop on the street, unless you are not listening. So IMO you filed a complaint, because you were being a desrespectful A-hole.

If so pay the F-ing ticket and shut-up. Next time you have to deal with LEO, be nice and say yes, sir and no, sir and thank you.

You didn't read his post closely enough to understand it, then you insult him? That's just ignorant and unhelpful.

Personally, I'd pursue the complaint if you really feel that it was clearly inappropriate. People in power need to be kept in check. And, I say that as someone who has a wife, father, and brother who serve(d) in law enforcement. I've also dealt with several crooked cops and unfortunately didn't know my rights or that I could make a difference and help stop the injustice by filing a complaint.

[jpr1968]

Yeah Yeah. Persue the complaint and become a target for reprisel. Leave it be and pay up. Is it really worth persueing the complaint or are you just pissed that you got a ticket to begin with?

[MikeB]

Originally Posted by jgarib
Wow, I think you read his post wrong. He had no problem hearing the cop. He claims the cop was screaming at him (like a parent does to a child) and he filed a complaint based on this.

No, YOU read his post wrong. Nowhere did he make that exaggerated claim, only that "when the officer approached me he began yelling at me for passing him and kept it throughout the stop."

I sometimes "yell" in a noisy environment to be heard over the ambient noise; I "scream"...well, never, because I don't get that angry or frightened, which is what is implied by screaming. "Like a parent does to a child"? Even the OP didn't make that silly analogy.

If you are going to apply creative parsing of the post you would have to concede that "He finally stated I was speeding" sounds pretty calm and controlled.

Guy got a ticket. He's pissed. Too bad. He just needs some cheese with his whine.

[Aced It]

Originally Posted by txridr

I need your professional opinion on the following:

Ok, but I'm not a professional; I just pretend to be one here, so SHHHhhhhhh!

Originally Posted by txridr

I was riding on the highway and got pulled over by a police officer in an stealth Tahoe and when the officer approached me he began yelling at me for passing him and kept it throughout the stop. He finally stated I was speeding.

So what's the point? You passed him! Now, there are some variables here as I read them and I have questions - Was the officer driving in the same direction as you when you passed him, or sitting on the side of the road? If you're traveling faster than a police officer in motion whose doing the speed limit, it's only natural that he'll pull you over and you'll get cited for exceeding a given posted speed limit. Same if he catches you on radar, but I assume by your quoting him as stating that you passed him, that he was in motion travelling the same direction as you.

Originally Posted by txridr

I filed a citizen complaint against the officer, and after a few weeks of badgering the Chief of Police on the findings he concluded that due to the traffic passing by and me failing to remove my helmet (I was never asked to remove my helmet) the officer had to raise his voice.

Did the officer use profanity, or degrade you in some manner? Did he physically assault you or touch you inappropriately? Why on Earth would you file a complaint based on "yelling" alone? Is there some truth to the Chief's conclusion in that the officer was justified in yelling or maybe raising his tone over the sound of passing traffic and your not having removed your helmet (which I assume is a 3/4 or full one)? Could you have maybe mistaken his tone? C'mon, officers put their lives at risk every day and you were more worried about his volume with you, knowing that you were speeding and still had your helmet on? Does the law in your state require him to ask you to remove it, or is it an option?

I wear a 3/4 and sometimes full helmet with in-ear foam plugs and can still hear someone talk to me. Funny part is my son asked me to stop yelling at him when I got home the other night and still had my helmet on and earplugs in when he asked me a question in the driveway.

Maybe you yelled first? Possibly? Maybe without even realizing it??? Maybe he WAS yelling as a reaction to something you did - a movement, gesture, a little too long in pulling over, etc ......

Sorry but it seems a waste of time and tax payer's money to be looking to reprimand an officer for his tone who clearly was doing his duty. And then you admit to "badgering" the Cheif?! Badgering is the act of harassing someone.

Originally Posted by txridr

Feedback is appreciated.

You may need to clarify and answer some questions to some of the above (mine and others responses). But, your welcome.

[old dad]

Aced it,,you miss read it,,,no stop sign,,officer yelled during the whole stop.

[Aced It]

Originally Posted by old dad

Aced it,,you miss read it,,,no stop sign,,officer yelled during the whole stop.

Yes I did. Thanks for the clarification. I edited out that.

[wallasan10]

I wasn’t there so I don’t know how it went down but….when I ride I almost always wear a helmet and I ALWAYS wear earplugs. Years of riding (much of it with loud pipes) has contributed to considerable hearing loss. After I’m on my bike with ear plugs in and helmet on I can no longer hear people who speak in a normal voice clearly enough to understand what they are saying. You either have to yell at me or wait for me to remove my helmet and earplugs.
My advice to everyone is to wear hearing protection. Years from now you’ll be glad you did. If you get pulled over remove your helmet and earplugs if you wear them so you can converse in a normal tone. If the LEO still yells at you that’s something else but if you are wearing a helmet I think it’s reasonable to speak to you in a louder than normal voice. And traffic noise just makes it worse.
Just my opinion.

[CrazyDave]

Go directly to the harassment thread.

Office stops you for passing him? Was it a legal pass.. if so too damn bad

Officer says you were speeding? Does he have that on radar? If not ..too damn bad

Officer berates you throughout the stop..any ticket? No? mmm.

Me, I would pursue it further, can't get satisfaction from the police chief because he doesn't want to deal with the hot head, next step your local representative or mayor..what you have here is a bully with a badge, one who apparently doesn't like bikes.. I will stand by that view unless it comes out you did something illegal.

[Aced It]

Originally Posted by CrazyDave

Go directly to the harassment thread.

Office stops you for passing him? Was it a legal pass.. if so too damn bad

Officer says you were speeding? Does he have that on radar? If not ..too damn bad

Officer berates you throughout the stop..any ticket? No? mmm.

Me, I would pursue it further, can't get satisfaction from the police chief because he doesn't want to deal with the hot head, next step your local representative or mayor..what you have here is a bully with a badge, one who apparently doesn't like bikes.. I will stand by that view unless it comes out you did something illegal.

Dave, I just don't think there's enough information in his post to go by. Too many variables, possibilities ... you know, "guess ya had to be there" stuff. Thus all my questions.

[jpr1968]

It sounds like my kids saying that I yell at them all the time. Where's the O.P. to explain further. C.D. what do you think is going to come from complaining to someone above the police? At best he gets a "Gee, I'm sorry I yelled at you" and at worst is he gets harassed by the Leo's. I doubt that the ticket is thrown out(which I think could be his real reason for complaining).