Helmet noise level and police.

[txridr]

To clarify, I didn't even have a chance to remove my helmet since the officer began to become irate since the beginning of the stop. At one point I had to put my hands up in a defensive manner asking him to calm down. This is not about me whining.

Yes, I did get a ticket, which I am fighting, but nevertheless, no one should have to tolerate this from a police officer. I asked two colleagues who are police officers and they both agreed that if they are going to chew someone out, then they don't give a ticket, but they don't do both.

When I spoke to an officer at the police station front desk, I was told that the officer, who is a sergeant, done not allow other officers to use the vehicle. My concern then was that he would attempt to destroy evidence that was exculpatory. It was then I decided to file a complaint.

[SkullCrusher]

I'm guessing by the description of the cops vehicle as a 'stealth Tahoe' that it was a completely unmarked car with lights inside at the headliner front and back, that is of course unless there us a dodge stealth trim level 'tahoe' or Chevy has been stealing fighter technology from the govt.

So the op didn't know he was passing a cop because it was an unmarked truck, not the usual black and white crown Vic.

I've never had a cop mad enough to screa...to yell in my face over speeding. My interpretation is that op pulled over, officer red-ass came out of his truck with this in his head: 'this biker punks has no.respect for the law, he has the audacity to pass a police vehicle. I will berate him to impress upon him how mad I am' or something of that nature.

Police officers are trusted by the community to conduct themselves in a civil and professional manner. It sounds to me like this cop did not.

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by jpr1968

It sounds like my kids saying that I yell at them all the time. Where's the O.P. to explain further. C.D. what do you think is going to come from complaining to someone above the police? At best he gets a "Gee, I'm sorry I yelled at you" and at worst is he gets harassed by the Leo's. I doubt that the ticket is thrown out(which I think could be his real reason for complaining).

I saw no mention of a ticket which is why I asked.

What can come out of it? Depends. If our OP is on the up and up and was having his nuts busted for nothing then at the very least the cop will get another verbal warning ( kinda like being put on notice) May be this isn't the first time, maybe there are other complaints.. complaints that the chief let slide but the Representative won't.

I don't really know but I know that if it were me and I was not breaking any traffic laws, and I got no ticket but I was pulled over and my time was wasted because some cop decided he was was going to show me how important he is, then what I suggested is what I would do, and if I had a name and a badge number I may just have a talk with the local media too.

Seems to me if there were no offense by the OP and he indeed was pulled over for nothing then yes the Chief SHOULD have required that the cop give a personal apology.

[jpr1968]

Originally Posted by txridr

To clarify, I didn't even have a chance to remove my helmet since the officer began to become irate since the beginning of the stop. At one point I had to put my hands up in a defensive manner asking him to calm down. This is not about me whining.

Yes, I did get a ticket, which I am fighting, but nevertheless, no one should have to tolerate this from a police officer. I asked two colleagues who are police officers and they both agreed that if they are going to chew someone out, then they don't give a ticket, but they don't do both.

When I spoke to an officer at the police station front desk, I was told that the officer, who is a sergeant, done not allow other officers to use the vehicle. My concern then was that he would attempt to destroy evidence that was exculpatory. It was then I decided to file a complaint.

Can you clarify the statement that you passed an officer. Was he sitting still or moving and was he going the speed limit if he was moving?

[txridr]

Originally Posted by jpr1968

Can you clarify the statement that you passed an officer. Was he sitting still or moving and was he going the speed limit if he was moving?

I was driving south on the highway, I came upon a group of cars and trucks clustered together that we're driving slower. I decided to pass the group on the right lane and get in front of them. I then see police lights come on. I pull over and that's when the officer approached me and began yelling at me. I believe this officer was purposely holding back the cars by slowing them down.

I also believe he saw me as a "biker who doesn't care about the law, so Ill show him who's boss, attitude." This because I stated if i could get a break, and his response was "you all always want a break!"

When I got home and saw the ticket he put done the wrong way I was traveling; he put down I was traveling north, then in parentheses he put (S). So, which way am I traveling, north or south, officer?

[Aced It]

Originally Posted by SkullCrusher

I'm guessing by the description of the cops vehicle as a 'stealth Tahoe' that it was a completely unmarked car with lights inside at the headliner front and back, that is of course unless there us a dodge stealth trim level 'tahoe' or Chevy has been stealing fighter technology from the govt.

So the op didn't know he was passing a cop because it was an unmarked truck, not the usual black and white crown Vic.

I've never had a cop mad enough to screa...to yell in my face over speeding. My interpretation is that op pulled over, officer red-ass came out of his truck with this in his head: 'this biker punks has no.respect for the law, he has the audacity to pass a police vehicle. I will berate him to impress upon him how mad I am' or something of that nature.

Police officers are trusted by the community to conduct themselves in a civil and professional manner. It sounds to me like this cop did not.

Originally Posted by txridr

I was driving south on the highway, I came upon a group of cars and trucks clustered together that we're driving slower. I decided to pass the group on the right lane and get in front of them. I then see police lights come on. I pull over and that's when the officer approached me and began yelling at me. I believe this officer was purposely holding back the cars by slowing them down.

I also believe he saw me as a "biker who doesn't care about the law, so Ill show him who's boss, attitude." This because I stated if i could get a break, and his response was "you all always want a break!"

When I got home and saw the ticket he put done the wrong way I was traveling; he put down I was traveling north, then in parentheses he put (S). So, which way am I traveling, north or south, officer?

An officer traveling at the speed limit is purposeful in that it is INTENDED to slow down vehicles, which is why there was a group of backed up cars not wanting to pass. It doesn't matter if the car is marked or unmarked; we have those all over I-95 in West Palm Beach. The fact here is that you passed him to which all indications point toward your breaking the law. Again without having been there, no one can be witness to how you were acting in the situation either, from passing the group of cars to the point of leaving, post ticket. As for his yelling at you, maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong, but you rightfully got a speeding ticket, correct? Why make it worse by claiming he was yelling?

Nobody is happy when they get a moving violation. The officer probably hears pleas all day long about 'getting a break' which is why he answered you that way. I think your assumption of his thoughts regarding bikers is just that - merely an assumption. This guy is on the side of a highway and constantly thinking if he's going to get hit by a passing motorist or assaulted by the person he pulled over. These officers are always on guard and I believe most are well deserved the respect no matter what volume they talk to you so long as it's specific to the violation.

As for his making a mistake on the ticket, it seems obvious he corrected his mistake with "S" in the parenthesis.

Sounds like your looking to nit-pic anything and everything to get away from the fact that you broke the law ... and that's probably how his chief is viewing it.

That's my feedback thus far; I say pay the ticket and move passed it.

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by Aced It

An officer traveling at the speed limit is purposeful in that it is INTENDED to slow down vehicles, which is why there was a group of backed up cars not wanting to pass. It doesn't matter if the car is marked or unmarked; we have those all over I-95 in West Palm Beach. The fact here is that you passed him to which all indications point toward your breaking the law. Again without having been there, no one can be witness to how you were acting in the situation either, from passing the group of cars to the point of leaving, post ticket. As for his yelling at you, maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong, but you rightfully got a speeding ticket, correct? Why make it worse by claiming he was yelling? I say pay it and move on.

As for his making a mistake on the ticket, it is obvious he corrected his mistake with "S" in the parenthesis. Sounds like your looking to nit-pic anything and everything to get away from the fact that you broke the law ... and that's probably how his chief is viewing it.

Which is why I made my statements the way I mad them.. leaving room for more fleshing out of the story. Although I still think a constant stream of yelling was unnecessary, I am now leaning toward your thought line.

[Aced It]

Originally Posted by CrazyDave

Which is why I made my statements the way I mad them.. leaving room for more fleshing out of the story. Although I still think a constant stream of yelling was unnecessary, I am now leaning toward your thought line.

Dave, we have officers here on the board and I have trained and worked along side officers in the field. Just like bikers tend to get a certain negative stereotype, so do police. This is just one of those situations where somebody is upset about a ticket and it evolves into something more than it really should. It's nit-picky to me. We were prompted for feedback and that's how I see it.

And quit suckin' up! Yer not gettin' my bike!

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by Aced It

Dave, we have officers here on the board and I have trained and worked along side officers in the field. Just like bikers tend to get a certain negative stereotype, so do police. This is just one of those situations where somebody is upset about a ticket and it evolves into something more than it really should. It's nit-picky to me. We were prompted for feedback and that's how I see it.

Tis a hard thing for some to look at people as individuals instead of part of a collective. Not all bikers are good, not all cops are bad, and not every chick is into bondage and discipline, no matter what Fifty Shades of Grey says ( sorry Charles)

[Aced It]

Originally Posted by crazydave

... And not every chick is into bondage and discipline ...

d^mmit!