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[Aced It]

Originally Posted by CrazyDave

Ever been on a road that was in no way shape or form designed for the 50 mph that the speed limit it is set for? Ever been on a road where the posted limit of 40 was ludicrously slow? Even in the OPs example of his experience we see a cop, on a major highway purposely impeding traffic flow..why? To piss someone off enough that they would try to find away around slow moving traffic.. nothing else.

Ever had to touch ( or even slam in some cases ) your brakes upon coming into such a situation.. one minute traffic is moving along fine, the next every thing comes to a an abrupt and dangerous standstill simply because there is a cop going a rock stead( insert speed limit) in the left lane.

Yes I know we all would like to think our government cares, is doing things for our good, but quite frankly we all also know in our hearts that is utter BS.

All assumptions Dave. I spent some time in the DOT working on traffic grid designs as a young draftsman. It's very interesting, but in no way reflects your viewpoint. Yes, it may seem that you could comfortably exceed 50mph on that wide open stretch of rural road - but transportation authorities and highway engineers consider a lot more than just your way of thinking, such as YOUR safety on that same road at the same speed limit in bad weather conditions (rain, snow, ice, etc), the variety of vehicles traveling that road, road slope, visual distances, right down to the materials that pave that road. Hey if it pisses somebody off, too bad. It's a posted speed limit. Exceed it, get caught, pay the fine. Simple.

As for that cop slowing down traffic to a "rock stead" speed limit: If all those cars piling up behind him were doing the limit to begin with, there wouldn't be a problem. Instead, they choose to break the law and it's THEM that are creating the danger. The officer is simply doing his duty in controlling said traffic.

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by Aced It

Dave, Dave, Dave .... I realize that you may share the same ideology as my father in that the government is solely here to screw you, but ...

It did not take cars long to clog the streets and cities to begin setting speed limits, installing traffic lights, designing one-way streets and adding parking meters. Yet, it did take drivers longer to start obeying these laws. The book "Rules of the Road" written by William P. Eno in 1903 introduced many road regulations, such as the need for slow traffic to remain to the right and cars to pass only on the left, as well as one-way streets, crosswalks for pedestrians, stop signs and safety islands. 1903! In that same book, Eno, considered to be "the father of traffic safety", believed that stoplights would never work and police would always be necessary at intersections. Ironically, he had his chauffeur drive him around.

Traffic laws are set up first and foremost to protect society from running a muck, people setting their own rules and generally creating mass havoc causing serious safety issues for everyone. Now Dave, there is no doubt that in that same development that the government also gets their greedy little hands on your cash. Fines for traffic infractions are set up as a determent from breaking a said law. Paying a fine for breaking said law is the punishment.

Traffic laws now make up a major part of most state regulations. Their main purpose is to improve unsafe driving and to provide education to bad drivers. Revenue is the secondary and thankfully a part of it because everybody knows them laws is gettin' broke and we need our roads paved for our scoot's sake.

You've got it backwards.

Ok ..I guess we'll leave it at this my friend..




Oh.. and BTW, your dad was right

[Aced It]

Originally Posted by CrazyDave

Ok ..I guess we'll leave it at this my friend..




Oh.. and BTW, your dad was right

Hahaha ..... I knew it! We'll agree to disagree then. But I'm right and I can beat up the old man now too.

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by Aced It

Hahaha ..... I knew it! We'll agree to disagree then.

One last thing, if excessive speed is so dangerous.. shouldn't cops themsleves be fined for excessive speeding? Should they not refrain from persuit since the minute they give chase they are now contributing and are themselves a danger to society at large?

The trouble with such laws is most everyone breaks them but only a privileged view can make an excuse for them and get away with no ticket and ironically they are the ones who can force a ticket on you for doing exactly what they just did.. think about it.

[Aced It]

Originally Posted by CrazyDave

One last thing, if excessive speed is so dangerous.. shouldn't cops themsleves be fined for excessive speeding? Should they not refrain from persuit since the minute they give chase they are now contributing and are themselves a danger to society at large?

The trouble with such laws is most everyone breaks them but only a privileged view can make an excuse for them and get away with no ticket and ironically they are the ones who can force a ticket on you for doing exactly what they just did.. think about it.

Dave, there are laws state-to-state that govern police actions too. Some states do not allow a "high-speed" pursuit of a vehicle if the pursuit itself is believed to be more dangerous to the public than the actual infraction of the pursued. Example: Murder = high speed pursuit; Bubblegum theft = let it go. Patrol vehicles are not permitted to "speed" unless in pursuit, on a call or the like. Yes, they would also contribute to danger, just like any other citizen breaking the law, and yes some do because they think they can or nobody will notice. Those are the law abusers within the law itself, and somebody said it earlier in that those should be weeded out.

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by Aced It

Dave, there are laws state-to-state that govern police actions too. Some states do not allow a "high-speed" pursuit of a vehicle if the pursuit itself is believed to be more dangerous to the public than the actual infraction of the pursued. Example: Murder = high speed pursuit; Bubblegum theft = let it go. Patrol vehicles are not permitted to "speed" unless in pursuit, on a call or the like. Yes, they would also contribute to danger, just like any other citizen breaking the law, and yes some do because they think they can or nobody will notice. Those are the law abusers within the law itself, and somebody said it earlier in that those should be weeded out.

ah, but they are not..not effectively anyway..why? corruption , officers covering for others.. so we end up with people ticketing us for the same abuses they do.. the concept that a cop is not "permitted" is a nice one, but largely a fallacy..

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[Aced It]

Originally Posted by CrazyDave

ah, but they are not..not effectively anyway..why? corruption , officers covering for others.. so we end up with people ticketing us for the same abuses they do.. the concept that a cop is not "permitted" is a nice one, but largely a fallacy..

No doubt some truth to all that, however generally speaking the same can apply to the public. Yours is a way of thinking that lends to a sort of negative stereotyping of the police order. In that, the good cops get a bad rap. Gotta have some faith Dave ... time for your "Om" now.

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[txridr]

For the record, the ticket was 84 on a 70. I have hired an atty to handle it for me. I'd rather pay the atty than give my money to the City.

In my written complaint I stated it got to the point where I felt he was verbally abusive. I even put my hands up in a defensive posture. I never really got an opportunity to say anything, just answer his questions. I was even apologetic at one point, but he continued with his yelling.

In the letter I requested the officer be kept off the streets until he takes Anger Management classes; I recommended the Anderson and Anderson anger management program. For those who think I'm overreacting I can tell you I am a professional with an advanced degree. Professionals, especially one with a state license, should act accordingly and above reproach.

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by Aced It

No doubt some truth to all that, however generally speaking the same can apply to the public. Yours is a way of thinking that lends to a sort of negative stereotyping of the police order. In that, the good cops get a bad rap. Gotta have some faith Dave ... time for your "Om" now.

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Actually I have a high regard for the police, theirs is often a dirty ugly and thankless job. Ever read Joesph Wambaugh? There was one book where a cop had shot a perp and was bleeding him dry .. I thought to myself while reading it, this would be me as a cop.. child molester/rapist..dead..wife beater.. dead. drunk driver..dead..which is why I tip my hat to those that do their job daily , knowing that some asswipe judge is going to let a piece of scum go for one stupid reason or another. That being said I also know cops are human.

I know the lure of being able to get away with those little perks that the average citizen cannot do, like using you blues to get through a red light or going over the " legal" speed limit are not lost on the average officer and are probably abused to some extent by most..even the "good" cops. I also believe that it is precisely because they can, and do that most cops give a large latitude when it comes to others doing it ( in manner they deem reasonable of course )

But the thing I know most of all is when the command comes down to increase citations to bring up revenue.. both good cop and bad cop are going to do exactly that, because that is what government is all about and in the ends cops are tools of the government.