Helmet noise level and police.

[txridr]

I had also stated in the document that after he cited me he followed behind for coue of miles until we approached another group of cars. He then speeds up to pass the group of vehicles on the left lane then speeds to the extreme right lane to stop a vehicle.

I asked that he be cited for violating the TX Trasp Code for speeding without it being an emergency, which is allowed by law. The Chief did not address it in his response.

[1996shadow]

Originally Posted by txridr

I was driving south on the highway, I came upon a group of cars and trucks clustered together that we're driving slower. I decided to pass the group on the right lane and get in front of them. I then see police lights come on. I pull over and that's when the officer approached me and began yelling at me. I believe this officer was purposely holding back the cars by slowing them down.

I also believe he saw me as a "biker who doesn't care about the law, so Ill show him who's boss, attitude." This because I stated if i could get a break, and his response was "you all always want a break!"

When I got home and saw the ticket he put done the wrong way I was traveling; he put down I was traveling north, then in parentheses he put (S). So, which way am I traveling, north or south, officer?

People are always trying to get out of something because the officer did something wrong. Why is it that people think they should be able to break the law and get away with it because the police officer did something wrong? Remember, the saying "2 wrongs don't make a right".

People often think that filing a complaint against a police officer will get their charges dropped. Unless you can prove that the charges are not valid, then that is not likely to happen. What can happen though is that you can go the rest of your life in that area without ever getting another break. The officers will all know that you like to complain to try to get out of things. That means that they will all document all contact with you.

As for the direction on the ticket, I have done similar when I was a LEO, many years ago. You may have physically been travelling south on a highway that is labeled as being north. We have a highway here that circles around. You can be on either the westbound or eastbound lanes. You can be going west when you are on the eastbound lane.

Your best bet is to let it go and pay the fine.

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by 1996shadow

People are always trying to get out of something because the officer did something wrong. Why is it that people think they should be able to break the law and get away with it because the police officer did something wrong? Remember, the saying "2 wrongs don't make a right".

People often think that filing a complaint against a police officer will get their charges dropped. Unless you can prove that the charges are not valid, then that is not likely to happen. What can happen though is that you can go the rest of your life in that area without ever getting another break. The officers will all know that you like to complain to try to get out of things. That means that they will all document all contact with you.

As for the direction on the ticket, I have done similar when I was a LEO, many years ago. You may have physically been travelling south on a highway that is labeled as being north. We have a highway here that circles around. You can be on either the westbound or eastbound lanes. You can be going west when you are on the eastbound lane.

Your best bet is to let it go and pay the fine.

You are correct, and an officer speeding around in a non emergency situation simply to make a traffic stop is also wrong..so why should it not be reported. why should it be let go?

[1996shadow]

Originally Posted by txridr

I had also stated in the document that after he cited me he followed behind for coue of miles until we approached another group of cars. He then speeds up to pass the group of vehicles on the left lane then speeds to the extreme right lane to stop a vehicle.

I asked that he be cited for violating the TX Trasp Code for speeding without it being an emergency, which is allowed by law. The Chief did not address it in his response.

I sure am glad I don't live near you. I sure as hell would not ride with you in any case. You seem to simply have a thing about police officers.

I would suggest that you check with your local PD and see if they have a "ride along program". That is a program that allows regular citizens to ride with an officer for a shift in order for them to see what an officer actually does. Most people think they know, but have no real idea.

In almost 10 years in law enforcement, I probably had 100 ride alongs. In many of those cases the citizen had filed some BS complaint against an officer in an attempt to get some charges dropped. I always tried to avoid any conversation about the complaints or the officers involved. I simply didn't want to get involved in any investgation. In the vast majority of the cases though, at the end of the shift the citizen told me that they were going to drop the complaints. They all were amazed at what we went thru in an evening or midnight shift. At one point, I had to have Internal Affairs contact the ride along. I was accused by them of trying to influence the person that made the complaint.

[Aced It]

Originally Posted by txridr

I need your professional opinion on the following:
I was riding on the highway and got pulled over by a police officer in an stealth Tahoe and when the officer approached me he began yelling at me for passing him and kept it throughout the stop. He finally stated I was speeding.

I filed a citizen complaint against the officer, and after a few weeks of badgering the Chief of Police on the findings he concluded that due to the traffic passing by and me failing to remove my helmet (I was never asked to remove my helmet) the officer had to raise his voice.

Feedback is appreciated.

Originally Posted by txridr

To clarify, I didn't even have a chance to remove my helmet since the officer began to become irate since the beginning of the stop. At one point I had to put my hands up in a defensive manner asking him to calm down. This is not about me whining.

Yes, I did get a ticket, which I am fighting, but nevertheless, no one should have to tolerate this from a police officer. I asked two colleagues who are police officers and they both agreed that if they are going to chew someone out, then they don't give a ticket, but they don't do both.

When I spoke to an officer at the police station front desk, I was told that the officer, who is a sergeant, done not allow other officers to use the vehicle. My concern then was that he would attempt to destroy evidence that was exculpatory. It was then I decided to file a complaint.

Originally Posted by txridr

I was driving south on the highway, I came upon a group of cars and trucks clustered together that we're driving slower. I decided to pass the group on the right lane and get in front of them. I then see police lights come on. I pull over and that's when the officer approached me and began yelling at me. I believe this officer was purposely holding back the cars by slowing them down.

I also believe he saw me as a "biker who doesn't care about the law, so Ill show him who's boss, attitude." This because I stated if i could get a break, and his response was "you all always want a break!"

When I got home and saw the ticket he put done the wrong way I was traveling; he put down I was traveling north, then in parentheses he put (S). So, which way am I traveling, north or south, officer?

Originally Posted by txridr

My bad, it was the left lane. I'm starting to make the same mistakes as the PO.

Originally Posted by txridr

LOL.
That was cool CrazyDave!
I think we all do step back and do that for a minute.

Originally Posted by txridr

For the record, the ticket was 84 on a 70. I have hired an atty to handle it for me. I'd rather pay the atty than give my money to the City.

In my written complaint I stated it got to the point where I felt he was verbally abusive. I even put my hands up in a defensive posture. I never really got an opportunity to say anything, just answer his questions. I was even apologetic at one point, but he continued with his yelling.

In the letter I requested the officer be kept off the streets until he takes Anger Management classes; I recommended the Anderson and Anderson anger management program. For those who think I'm overreacting I can tell you I am a professional with an advanced degree. Professionals, especially one with a state license, should act accordingly and above reproach.

Originally Posted by txridr

I had also stated in the document that after he cited me he followed behind for coue of miles until we approached another group of cars. He then speeds up to pass the group of vehicles on the left lane then speeds to the extreme right lane to stop a vehicle.

I asked that he be cited for violating the TX Trasp Code for speeding without it being an emergency, which is allowed by law. The Chief did not address it in his response.

84. In a 70 zone. Passing a "group of cars and trucks clustered together that we're driving slower. [You] decided to pass the group on the right lane and get in front of them. [You] then see police lights come on. [You] pull over ..." Or was it the left? Sure it wasn't the right?

But then you continue to say that you, "asked that he be cited for violating the TX Trasp Code for speeding without it being an emergency". Well, let's see ... you were excessively speeding at 84mph in a 70 zone, on a bike passing a group of cars. Yeah, I think that's justifiable reason for him to be speeding up to catch you, lights flashing and all. At that point were considered to be a danger to others, which is why his voice was deemed as YELLING because you were wrong and then some.

So far I'm having little faith at all with your need for approval in fighting this ticket.

By the way, how much are you paying this attorney? Your speeding violation is most likely from $186 to $239 based on where you got your ticket in Texas. Texas, right? According to your avatar, yes.

Houston: 10-14 miles per hour over limit = $195
San Antonio: $166.00 for the first 10 miles per hour over, and $5.00 for each additional mile per hour over that
Austin: 1-15 miles per hour over limit = $239, $193 if you pay early

So you will have not only paid the attorney his/her fee, but you will have paid the court costs and most likely the ticket too IF found guilty. But you'd rather give your money to someone you don't know instead of watch it go right back into the city to which we already know the extra revenue will help the city thrive. Well, your choice.

And to me it doesn't matter how professional you make yourself to be here, or where you went to school, or what you do for living. Your story is inconsistent at best. I'll say it again, pay the fee and move on.

Your thread has nothing to do with "helmet noise level". More like a whiny plea regarding how to get out of this ticket.

My tone here is somewhat elevated, but don't worry, I'm not yelling. I just don't like being lied to ... or rather having bits and pieces of a story missing ... or rather the truth withheld/manipulated ... maybe all of the above.

I think at this point maybe you should evaluate just who it is that should be off the streets for while.

..... OMmmmmm ..... OMmmmmmm .... OMmmmmm ............

[Bowie-]

Originally Posted by txridr

For the record, the ticket was 84 on a 70. I have hired an atty to handle it for me. I'd rather pay the atty than give my money to the City.

In my written complaint I stated it got to the point where I felt he was verbally abusive. I even put my hands up in a defensive posture. I never really got an opportunity to say anything, just answer his questions. I was even apologetic at one point, but he continued with his yelling.

In the letter I requested the officer be kept off the streets until he takes Anger Management classes; I recommended the Anderson and Anderson anger management program. For those who think I'm overreacting I can tell you I am a professional with an advanced degree. Professionals, especially one with a state license, should act accordingly and above reproach.

I'm glad to see you tackle this. Forget about the "bend over and take it" crowd. You pay this cop's salary, and you have every right to demand he behave in a manner befitting of a law enforcement officer. I'm very forgiving of cops making critical mistakes, but abuse of authority is not acceptable. This incident may be small, but it represents a much larger issue. Shi++y cops like this give a bad rep to people like the LEOs in my family and put them in danger.

[old dad]

Originally Posted by Bowie-

I'm glad to see you tackle this. Forget about the "bend over and take it" crowd. You pay this cop's salary, and you have every right to demand he behave in a manner befitting of a law enforcement officer. I'm very forgiving of cops making critical mistakes, but abuse of authority is not acceptable. This incident may be small, but it represents a much larger issue. Shi++y cops like this give a bad rep to people like the LEOs in my family and put them in danger.

I can't believe this, or that you believe owning up to his own misconduct(speeding) is bending over. ,,the op is gonna take a hit in the wallet for an attorney, pay court costs and the ticket..
The complaint will be noted in the officer's personnel file. He's already been told by the chief that the officer probably felt the need for elevated volume due the helmet on and traffic passing.

The op was speeding. Period, and needs to man up, pay his ticket, you both are beginning to sound like an "entitlement children" that grew up never having to accept responsibility for his actions, in this case speeding.

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by old dad

I can't believe this, or that you believe owning up to his own misconduct(speeding) is bending over. ,,the op is gonna take a hit in the wallet for an attorney, pay court costs and the ticket..
The complaint will be noted in the officer's personnel file. He's already been told by the chief that the officer probably felt the need for elevated volume due the helmet on and traffic passing.

The op was speeding. Period, and needs to man up, pay his ticket, you both are beginning to sound like an "entitlement children" that grew up never having to accept responsibility for his actions, in this case speeding.

mmm I view more 50/50 ..both need to take some heat

[old dad]

Originally Posted by CrazyDave

mmm I view more 50/50 ..both need to take some heat

that I can agree to, the heat the officer will get from a letter in his file could possibly do more that a non leo would understand or grasp.

[ejsaenz]

Originally Posted by Aced It

But you'd rather give your money to someone you don't know instead of watch it go right back into the city to which we already know the extra revenue will help the city thrive. Well, your choice.

If he doesn't pay the fine and gives his attorney the money, the attorney earned it, and the city does not benefit from the almost-legal extortion of a corrupted traffic court system. It's a win win in my book. I would rather pay an attorney too...