I want a harley.

[hunnus2000]

Originally Posted by Hondaguy

I took Lakota's dare and found a metric in 5 minutes that offers more (opinion here) for $3700 less than anyone may or may not buy an equivalent HD for. Harley does not advertise $2000 discounts. They don't have to. They have enough willing buyers worldwide for the 250K-300K bikes they make a year.

The only thing you proved is that for less money - you pay for less features. Lakota is correct from the standpoint of the details. The Harley comes with an engine guard, saddlebag guards, throttle lock and fender bling. That stuff adds up and no dealership is going to give it to you for free.

Harley doesn't offer discounts because they tightly control their price point which keeps the value of their bikes high.

BTW - Some Harley dealerships do advertise 2000.00 discounts, they just mark up MSRP by 2K and adcertise - today only - 1500.00 off. I stay away from that particular dealership.

[Coolride]

My wife even want's me to get another one, and she never cared about bikes . I think she likes the retro look,chrome ,and a good paint scheme. I'd like another one, the older the better. I don't care if I need visegrips holding the swing arm on, or a bucket under it collecting all the oil leaking, I want an old one.

[GPSchmidt]

Old like Shovel or Pan? Or old as in 1st gen EVO?

[Lakota]

Originally Posted by Hondaguy

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What would the equivalent Harley go for new? Are they discounting 2013s $2000? This is more than an equivalent.

The thing is Metrics can be usually heavily discounted from retail prices whereas Harleys are not and charge $1000 set up fees on top. The Hourly shop costs are pretty much inline and it's been a long time since I owned a Harley so it would be unfair to compare reliability. I have not had anything done to my Yamaha at the dealership other than a couple oil changes and rubber replacement and am at 14K.

I pulled my paperwork last night so I would have some solid facts:

Anyone can go to Harley's webpages and check the standard features on the 2012 FXDF; I paid--out the door--less than $!2,500 for the bike below, not counting the saddlebags, which cost me an additional $400. There were no "setup fees."

No, I'm not about to fax you my purchase documents.

I'm glad that you took my dare; I was interested in seeing what you would do, and I pretty much knew you would post because, well, it's what you seem to do.

All you proven to me is that I saved money by not buying that Yamaha . . . not that I'm at all interested in it.

All I've been saying is that, if you shop around like you do for any motorcycle, Harley-Davidsons can be bought at very fair, comparable prices. Easily. All it takes is a little common sense and patience.

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by Lakota

I pulled my paperwork last night so I would have some solid facts:

Anyone can go to Harley's webpages and check the standard features on the 2012 FXDF; I paid--out the door--less than $!2,500 for the bike below, not counting the saddlebags, which cost me an additional $400. There were no "setup fees."

No, I'm not about to fax you my purchase documents.

I'm glad that you took my dare; I was interested in seeing what you would do, and I pretty much knew you would post because, well, it's what you seem to do.

All you proven to me is that I saved money by not buying that Yamaha . . . not that I'm at all interested in it.

All I've been saying is that, if you shop around like you do for any motorcycle, Harley-Davidsons can be bought at very fair, comparable prices. Easily. All it takes is a little common sense and patience.

yep, and whether they are new or not

[Hondaguy]

Originally Posted by Lakota

I pulled my paperwork last night so I would have some solid facts:

Anyone can go to Harley's webpages and check the standard features on the 2012 FXDF; I paid--out the door--less than $!2,500 for the bike below, not counting the saddlebags, which cost me an additional $400. There were no "setup fees."

No, I'm not about to fax you my purchase documents.

I'm glad that you took my dare; I was interested in seeing what you would do, and I pretty much knew you would post because, well, it's what you seem to do.

All you proven to me is that I saved money by not buying that Yamaha . . . not that I'm at all interested in it.

All I've been saying is that, if you shop around like you do for any motorcycle, Harley-Davidsons can be bought at very fair, comparable prices. Easily. All it takes is a little common sense and patience.

SO you are claiming through your "phenomenal common sense and patience" you paid less than $12,500 for a new Harley FXDL with an MSRP of $15,349? AFTER a minimum of 4.225% sales taxes freight and set up?

I understand you don't care and all that, but please excuse me if I seriously doubt Harley is discounting new bikes well over $3000 off the floor and blowing them out without major extenuating circumstances that go beyond common sense and patience. That certainly does not bode well for the resale market at all if HD is doing that or maybe you are special?

I agree one can buy a Harley relatively cheap nowadays. I have seen used ones I had to take second looks at...But I don't think blow out comes to mind on any new ones. That price would be a MAJOR blow out price if
it were true.
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[Hondaguy]

Originally Posted by CrazyDave

yep, and whether they are new or not

I agree Dave but over $3000 off MSRP on a new 2012 after taxes and fees is a stretch of the imagination. USED it would be a phenomenal deal.

[Savage1973]

I don't understand this post at all. If I wanted a Harley then that's what I'd get. Same goes for a Honda, etc. how much you pay depends how much you want the bike. I think most of us pay for the name on the bike we buy.

I drive a shadow but would love a Harley as well. Used ones in my part of the world are out of reach. They hold their value very well. If I bought one I would be willing to pay for the image and the nostalgia associated with Harley's.

Each to his own I say.


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[Lakota]

Originally Posted by Hondaguy

I agree Dave but over $3000 off MSRP on a new 2012 after taxes and fees is a stretch of the imagination. USED it would be a phenomenal deal.

Well.

Let's walk through this, shall we? At the risk of boring those in this thread who really don't care . . . I posted about this purchase here as it happened (and I was pleasantly surprised when it happened):

Let's say that on a given Monday or Tuesday I walked into a local Harley-Davidson dealer, after I had chosen to negotiate on the purchase of a 2010 FXDF with ~30,000 miles on it. Asking price was between $13,500 and $14,000. I agreed to accept an offered trade-in allowance of $2,500 for a '96 1200 conversion. I put $1,000 down.

On Thursday I came in to finalize the deal. The sales manager met me before I signed the papers, and said: "Let me throw you a curve." What came next was a discussion about his need to meet a quota for his fiscal quarter. Whether that was true or not was irrelevant to me. What was important to me was that he was willing to increase my trade-in value from $2,500 to $6,000 if I would buy the 2012 FXDF, listed as you say at ~$15,700.

I certainly was. I wanted quick-release windshield and Harley saddlebags. I got them. He got the title to a 14-year-old Sportster and a $9,000 check from me.

Do the math. And keep in mind that, yes, I don't care what you think. I do think, however, that others should be aware of this continuing Harley myth.

And yeah, I know you can spin this any way you choose; the fact remains that I bought a really nice HD for very little outlay.

By the way, when you quote me next time, please watch where you put your quotation marks. Thanks.

[ZackDaniels]

So it wasn't discounted 3k right out like that. They instead gave you a hell of a trade-in deal. Same difference to the wallet which is your point, but worth disclosing initially for those shopping around without a trade-in to leverage. Just more to the point that you can't really compare based on anything other than the MSRP tag itself. Negotiations, quotas, trade-ins, friends, etc... they all change the door price too much to be a reasonable measuring stick.

This goes both ways though, you can't just mentally deduct something off a metric and say Harley wouldn't match it so they're clearly more expensive.

Originally Posted by hunnus2000

Well I would think that most bikes are disappointing in the power department after riding that V-Max!

The Max is something else, but the CB1100's power is disappointing for any EFI inline 4. I knew it was going to be somewhat tame due to the displacement + air cooled, but they've got it tuned really lazy even for that. That said we'll see what the community can get out of it with a chip and some minor modifications. Should be pretty cheap and easy to get another 20-30 ponies out of it with tuning. Which is not easily or affordably done on most bikes. I'd give a pint of blood for a Magna/V-Max with modern suspension, framing, and EFI. I don't care who's name is on it I'd buy the hell out of it. The Gen-2 Max got too big IMO, and they didn't even make the most out of the increase in size... as is shown by the ZX14 kicking it's butt all over the drag strip with 300 fewer cc's, though in the new Max's defense it's still hauling around a lossy and heavy drive shaft vs the ZX's chain.