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post #1 of 39 (permalink) Old 12-19-2010, 07:38 PM Thread Starter
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A little bit of history: I just bought this bike two days ago. I've ran it and ridden it. I bought it with the knowledge that the battery may be bad. It needed to be jump started; and when it was jump started it was done with a Jeep, with the engine off. When I went to go pick up, we did this again, but ended up blowing the main fuse (fuse right above the battery, connected to positive battery cable). Put in a new fuse and it jump started fine after that, shut it off and had to jump start it again for loading up. Ran with no problems until I shut it off. I never ran it long enough to try and see if the battery would hold a charge; something I wanted to do today.

I'm trying to jump start it again, and I'm getting nothing. I hooked up the battery cables and turn the key on and I don't even have any accessory lights coming on at all. I checked and rechecked to make sure I have a good hold of the battery positive and negative posts, and that the cables are good. Fuses are all good. Can a battery be fried to the point that you can't even get accessory lights anymore, even when hooked up to another battery? That doesn't make sense to me. I must have fried something else but I don't know what. Bike ran fine yesterday until I shut it off. Should I try hooking it up to a trickle charger overnight and see if that changes anything?

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post #2 of 39 (permalink) Old 12-19-2010, 08:54 PM
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Have you replaced the main fuse? Sometimes they look good and aren't. I've had this problem twice already on my bike.....

Do not jump start it any more. Go get yourself a new battery and put that in. Advanced auto has a decent one for fairly cheap. Someone on there told me it's very very bad to jump the bike. I bought my bike in the same condition you did. Just do it right as you'll need the battery anyway.

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Thanks for your advice tcanthonyii.

If the main fuse is the inline one on the positive cable, then yes I've checked it. It was the one we also replaced yesterday. When checking it again today, it looked fine, not even burned or anything.

The battery is eighteen months old, but I've had batteries go even sooner when not taken care of. I'll take your advice and leave it alone until I can replace the battery. I just can't imagine it being the cause of having absolutely no power at all when key is turned on. No headlight, no turn signals, no taillight, no start, just nothing; even when hooked up to another battery. If anyone else can confirm this diagnosis or maybe throw in something else I can check, I'd appreciate it. I do not have a voltmeter but I can pick one up if I need to troubleshoot.

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I'd say the main fuse looks good but isn't. Try and ohm it out and see if it is bad.

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Are you on that flat a space? When I've had bad luck jump starting, I've been able to push start at reasonably low speed (key on, second gear, get just 10 mph or so coasting, via gravity, push or whatever, release the clutch... if you are in cool weather do this with choke open) and drive it to recharge battery.

I'd try push starting it before anything else... you don't need much downhill incline, especially if you can get a shove from behind.

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I"m still leaning towards the main fuse. Did you replace it again? I've had 2 fuses look good but were bad. One would ohm out but when power got to it, it would quit working. It's only a few pennies. If you don't have any power even when cables are properly hooked to the old battery then the only think I can think of is the main 30 amp fuse, or every fuse in the fuse block. For 5 bucks you can replace all of them.

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Are you on that flat a space? When I've had bad luck jump starting, I've been able to push start at reasonably low speed (key on, second gear, get just 10 mph or so coasting, via gravity, push or whatever, release the clutch... if you are in cool weather do this with choke open) and drive it to recharge battery.

I'd try push starting it before anything else... you don't need much downhill incline, especially if you can get a shove from behind.
She has no lights at all though...

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Has to be fuses or broken electrical connections. I agree with tcanthonyii, check the fuses again.

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post #9 of 39 (permalink) Old 12-19-2010, 09:42 PM Thread Starter
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I did not try replacing the fuse again. I was searching the forum and I found a thread where a guy had the same problem but on a VT600, and it turned out to be a bad battery. Same issue, no lights, no start, etc.

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So I think I'll start there. You're right, if I know the battery should probably be replaced, I'll start with that and go from there. Might not be until after christmas when I can get to it again, but I'll let you all know. I do have an extra 30amp fuse I can throw in there as well, but still won't be able to check unless I try jump starting it again. Seller bought a pair of them yesterday and gave me the extra one.

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Sounds like you blew your fuses again. Electrical problems can be a bugger to track down for sure. As TC said get a good fresh battery to start, check the fuses and go from there. Our old bikes have a problem with the 3 yellow wires on the charging system that you'll need to check and eliminate them as a problem eventually. Heres a link to a long post about them and how I soldered and fixed mine.

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Entire post here:3 yellow wires...

Good luck and keep posting, there's quite a few members on here that are really good at trouble shooting problems.


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