Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: and I bet she votes as well
Setup
Gas station with 4 pumps I am at the second pump back. There is a car In front of me and a car behind me.
I pump my gas and go pay for it
I come out and start putting my gear on.
While I am doing that Some woman pulls he car into the spot I am occupying WTF?
I backed my bike out and around her and I couldn't help my self I had to ask DID YOU NOT SE ME? Her answer was yes I did but what can I do. WHOLLY CRAP she drives and like the titlel says I bet she votes! on the good sisde I did refrain from breaking any of her car parts off like the turn signal arm (I bet she wouldnt have a clue as to what it does anyways) I truly could not believe that she did that.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject:
wow I would have blown a gasget or proble just took my time longer to leave and let her know how stupid she is _________________ 600 SHADOW 2002
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject:
I would have gone into the quick Mart some some hostess snow balls and a diet coke and enjoyed them on the bench in front while she waited. _________________ The extent to which people "care" is governed exclusively by their own self-interest. I have seen precious little evidence to dispute that
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Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 5226 Location: Misawa, Japan
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject:
Wait, how's it go...
"...punch off her mirror, 'dick', shortcut to thinking, violence, bikers' image, sanctimonious, ego, dead horse, first on 14th page... locked."
Did I miss anything?
I have no idea how to have dealt with her, but I like the passive-aggressive route! I think at that point you buy some brakleen from inside and spray your front wheel, aiming the overspray (okay really just shooting through your wheel) all over her car.
Thats a little more than passive aggressive though hehe. _________________
"...punch off her mirror, 'dick', shortcut to thinking, violence, bikers' image, sanctimonious, ego, dead horse, first on 14th page... locked."
Did I miss anything?
I have no idea how to have dealt with her, but I like the passive-aggressive route! I think at that point you buy some brakleen from inside and spray your front wheel, aiming the overspray (okay really just shooting through your wheel) all over her car.
Thats a little more than passive aggressive though hehe.
well yea saw some of that thread and has nothing to do with hat just needed to vent a little bit but it does truly amaze me sometimes at the lack of forethought or common sense some people have.
What's the big deal? She pulled up next to you in the stall and was waiting for you to finish, so she could go next?
I had the fortune of getting caught in heavy traffic on my not-so-usual way home. I'm not at the point yet (nor may I ever be), where I feel comfortable moseying along between cars, splitting lanes as traffic creeps along at 30 or 40 mph. But a lot of other riders sure do, and they are not interested in going much slower that usual either.
So, the way I look at it, that's the way it should be done. The riders steel the cagers lane space on the freeway and the cager takes it back at the pump, or wherever else they can take it.
That's why I started looking at my space a bit differently. I don't expect the full car width around me any more. I figure if I can drive around other autos in my cage and our mirrors are only a foot or so apart, then I should be OK with it when there is only a foot or so of elbow room when on my bike.
There are no lines, there are only unused inches of pavement, and I only need a few of them at any given time. There is no Space, there is just no Contact. I'm happy with that.
Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 5226 Location: Misawa, Japan
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject:
Cravin wrote:
Johnmiii wrote:
Wait, how's it go...
"...punch off her mirror, 'dick', shortcut to thinking, violence, bikers' image, sanctimonious, ego, dead horse, first on 14th page... locked."
Did I miss anything?
I have no idea how to have dealt with her, but I like the passive-aggressive route! I think at that point you buy some brakleen from inside and spray your front wheel, aiming the overspray (okay really just shooting through your wheel) all over her car.
Thats a little more than passive aggressive though hehe.
well yea saw some of that thread and has nothing to do with hat just needed to vent a little bit but it does truly amaze me sometimes at the lack of forethought or common sense some people have.
I was totally kidding! Night and day difference, only commonality being a woman cager being oblivious or self-centered towards a biker.
Glad you vented here and not there! My original response was going to be "so did you punch her mirror off?"... but some things that I find light hearted and humorous others take seriously or shy away from.
I don't know that I could have gone without dropping the 'c' bomb on her, despite my aversion to escalation. _________________
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 7354 Location: Dallas, GA
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject:
Cuc Tu wrote:
What's the big deal? She pulled up next to you in the stall and was waiting for you to finish, so she could go next?
I had the fortune of getting caught in heavy traffic on my not-so-usual way home. I'm not at the point yet (nor may I ever be), where I feel comfortable moseying along between cars, splitting lanes as traffic creeps along at 30 or 40 mph. But a lot of other riders sure do, and they are not interested in going much slower that usual either.
So, the way I look at it, that's the way it should be done. The riders steel the cagers lane space on the freeway and the cager takes it back at the pump, or wherever else they can take it.
That's why I started looking at my space a bit differently. I don't expect the full car width around me any more. I figure if I can drive around other autos in my cage and our mirrors are only a foot or so apart, then I should be OK with it when there is only a foot or so of elbow room when on my bike.
There are no lines, there are only unused inches of pavement, and I only need a few of them at any given time. There is no Space, there is just no Contact. I'm happy with that.
I'm guessing that you haven't been riding long AND you haven't taken a safety course, such as the MSF, right?
What's wrong with it?
Yes, you are entitled to a reasonable amount of space.
No, it is NOT reasonable nor customary for an automobile to invade
a motorcycle's space.
No, riders don't "steal" a cagers space.
If I were in my car, I would be taking up that space.
It doesn't matter what vehicle you happen to be in or on,
you are entitled to a reasonable amount of space.
This is not only for safety, but it's the law.
You REALLY need to learn about a thing called "Space cushion" and what it means, it may save your life some day.
A typical roadway is made of of three virtual sections of lanes, for motorcyclists.
You can only one of those three 'virtual' lanes at a time.
Do you want an automobile trying to share that lane with you? _________________ Gasoline is for washing parts, Alcohol is for drinking... NITRO is for racing!
Oh come on, there is law and then there is reality.
Why should a biker expect to have 4 feet of cushion on each side of them and a car only 1 or 2?
Anyway, in my state, lane splitting is legal, and bikers routinely use the same lane as other cars. Did you ever See CHiPs? Good ole Ponch and Jon always rode sxs:
I'm not saying that I like it, but I've learned about reality and reality is that cars will tailgate you because you are nearly invisible. They will change lanes in front of you, even next to you, and I've even had cars pull up right next to me when I'm at a light slightly off to the side (I don't like sitting in a puddle of oil). Keep riding, or ride someplace outside the sticks, and you will see that there is no respect.
And when I called the cops and told them about that suburban that literally pushed me out of my lane on the freeway at 70 mph, they wanted to know if I fell down, did I need medical attention, was there any damage in excess of $500 (the limit at the time). Well, since none of that was the case, they told me there is nothing they're going to do. License plate or not. Legal smeesle. If I had been a motor cop, that guy would have gotten a good tasing, and few loose teeth, and some good ol'e fashioned jail time. But I'm just a lowley poor citizen. Poor me.
Now, that don't mean that I don't try to keep as much space around me as possible, but I don't go getting all bent out of shape because someone invaded my imaginary space. Just about like Cravin did, I move on. But you see the wasted breath there? Of course she saw him, she just did not care. Get used to it.
And if you ever you get the good misfortune, come on over to Critical Mass in S.F.
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 7354 Location: Dallas, GA
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject:
Cuc Tu wrote:
Why should a biker expect to have 4 feet of cushion on each side of them and a car only 1 or 2?
So, you are telling me that it's ok for an automobile to ride in your lane?
Cuc Tu wrote:
Anyway, in my state, lane splitting is legal, and bikers routinely use the same lane as other cars. Did you ever See CHiPs? Good ole Ponch and Jon always rode sxs:
Yes, and that's not lane splitting. It's called "riding two abreast" and it's
legal in most states. However, again, in most states, it's not legal
to ride more than 2 abreast.
In your state, it's legal for motorcycles to lane split.
I'd be willing to bet my next pay check that it's not legal for
automobiles to lane split.
Cuc Tu wrote:
I'm not saying that I like it, but I've learned about reality and reality is that cars will tailgate you because you are nearly invisible. They will change lanes in front of you, even next to you, and I've even had cars pull up right next to me when I'm at a light slightly off to the side (I don't like sitting in a puddle of oil). Keep riding, or ride someplace outside the sticks, and you will see that there is no respect.
No, you aren't nearly invisible.
People don't see you because they don't look.
They don't care and they don't drive responsibly.
You think Atlanta traffic is the sticks? Got news for ya... come try it sometime.
Our traffic is rated the worst in the nation, yes, worse that LA and New York City.
You don't know what bad traffic is until you've driven through Atlanta during rush hours.
I've driven all over this country and Atlanta traffic is the worst. It sucks.
Cuc Tu wrote:
And when I called the cops and told them about that suburban that literally pushed me out of my lane on the freeway at 70 mph, they wanted to know if I fell down, did I need medical attention, was there any damage in excess of $500 (the limit at the time). Well, since none of that was the case, they told me there is nothing they're going to do. License plate or not. Legal smeesle.
This is true, there is nothing they could do.
An officer didn't see the occurrence, they can't act.
Should he take your word and go write someone a ticket or haul them
off to jail on your word?
Cuc Tu wrote:
If I had been a motor cop, that guy would have gotten a good tasing, and few loose teeth, and some good ol'e fashioned jail time. But I'm just a lowley poor citizen. Poor me.
Yep, and you'd no longer be a motor cop and you'd be the one sitting in jail for use of excessive force.
Cuc Tu wrote:
Now, that don't mean that I don't try to keep as much space around me as possible, but I don't go getting all bent out of shape because someone invaded my imaginary space. Just about like Cravin did, I move on. But you see the wasted breath there? Of course she saw him, she just did not care. Get used to it.
I keep as much space around myself as I can also.
However, that doesn't mean that I shouldn't expect that amount of reasonable space.
I don't get all bent out of shape when someone doesn't leave that space.
I change the situation so that I maintain that space.
My whole point was that we, as motorcyclist, ARE entitled to a reasonable
amount of space, just an automobile is.
As I said, it doesn't matter what vehicle you are in.
If you are traveling down the road and a semi wants in your space,
that doesn't mean he is entitled to move on over.
Cuc Tu wrote:
And if you ever you get the good misfortune, come on over to Critical Mass in S.F.
Been there many times.
"Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there..." _________________ Gasoline is for washing parts, Alcohol is for drinking... NITRO is for racing!
So, you are telling me that it's ok for an automobile to ride in your lane?
I'm just saying that I see cars and motorcycles in the same lane more times on my daily commute than I care to count, even motor cops drive up next to or between cars and look inside very carefully. So, it must be OK...for them. I won't do it.
litnin wrote:
...in most states, it's not legal to ride more than 2 abreast.
...I'd be willing to bet my next pay check that it's not legal for automobiles to lane split.
Never said either one was.
litnin wrote:
No, you aren't nearly invisible.
People don't see you because they don't look.
They don't care and they don't drive responsibly.
That is why I do not expect them to respect my space, but I still believe that it is difficult to see motorcycles, in a relative context.
litnin wrote:
This is true, there is nothing they could do.
An officer didn't see the occurrence, they can't act.
Should he take your word and go write someone a ticket or haul them
off to jail on your word?
I did not say they should, but cops do not see a lot of crimes, yet they still investigate. I physically got hurt, evidenced by the bruise on my elbow. I believe that the officer I spoke with simply did not care. It was not "can't" as much as it was "won't." At least they could have interviewed the guy. I had his license plate number. BTW, the suburban came up behind me at a high rate of speed and had intended on passing me at the last minute. He did not see the car trailing next to him in his blind spot, so when the horn went, he pulled back into his/my lane as quick as he could to avoid a collision with the other car.
[quote="litnin"]
Yep, and you'd no longer be a motor cop and you'd be the one sitting in jail for use of excessive force.[/qoute]
I believe that most of this activity is reported, but ignored at the station. Odds are that it happens much more frequently and is rarely exposed. That is just my belief.
litnin wrote:
I keep as much space around myself as I can also.
However, that doesn't mean that I shouldn't expect that amount of reasonable space.
I don't get all bent out of shape when someone doesn't leave that space.
I change the situation so that I maintain that space.
My whole point was that we, as motorcyclist, ARE entitled to a reasonable
amount of space, just an automobile is.
As I said, it doesn't matter what vehicle you are in.
If you are traveling down the road and a semi wants in your space,
that doesn't mean he is entitled to move on over.
I don't expect the space any more, whether I am entitled to it or not. It is rarely given anyway, and that is all I'm saying. I can't force anyone to give it to me, so why should I even expect it? What does it do for me?
So, I've concluded that I am not entitled to my space. I will use any piece of road that is not occupied and expect everyone else to do the same. I will not bind myself to follow lines on the road either, besides, they are often absent. That just seems like the natural flow of things. I'll just go with the flow.
litnin wrote:
Been there many times.
"Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there..."
Me either, and it's not a nice place to visit anymore, not for me anyway.
Joined: 06 Aug 2007 Posts: 2870 Location: Pasco, WA
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:34 am Post subject:
I know this is expensive, but just go back, pull out the pump nozzle, and give her about 3 gallons through the side window, pay for it and then ride off....
Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 154 Location: Oceanside, Ca
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:07 am Post subject:
In my little area of the world I found that the two worst places to ride are a mall parking lot and my local gas station.
In the mall lot cagers tend to cut across it at a 45 deg angle. So that adds to the fun of not only looking out for cars backing out or turning in front of you but some one coming toward you at 30 mph on your rear quarter.
My local gas station has about 25 pumps on 6 aisles. A dirveway circles all the aisles. As cars are done getting gas they tend to whip out into the driveway with out looking or slowing down. Why bother? I got what I needed! The fact is you can never be to careful. At least on the freeway everyone is going in the same direction(well sort of)
In my little area of the world I found that the two worst places to ride are a mall parking lot and my local gas station.
Amen to that!
I had a lady swing around the car behind me at the gas station, and tried to swing into the pump bay I'm using. So she slams the brakes and sits there waiting impatiently for me to get the He11 out of her way. I was 100% ATGATT that day and took extra time to see that no gas spilled on the tank, my gloves fit well and every closure was securely fastened.. The engine even got a little warm -up. (Even though I had been on the road a half hour before stopping.) Hey, wouldn't want to stall, right. I can't believe anyone could not see a bright red motorcycle and a 6 ft man from 30 ft.
In Pa., we don't lane split and I Damn well expect cars to stay out of my space. I use it all, and you better believe I won't let you invade it without a fight.
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My original response was going to be "so did you punch her mirror off?"... but some things that I find light hearted and humorous others take seriously or shy away from.
