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Stopping Big Iron

Last weekend I was around two riders who both were riding new'ish purchases. One was a VTX-1800 and the other was riding a Yamaha 1900. One rider had moved up from a Honda 1300 and the other previously owned a 1100 V-Star.

Watching from behind I noticed that on several stops both would ocassionally tip the bikes when making normal stops. No drops but it did look a bit precarious.

There's a bit of a change in braking technique that most folks who ride big bikes use that may be worth knowing if you ever decide to move to a really heavy bike or even test ride one. A VTX-1800 weighs in at around 800, I imagine the Yama is a bit more, my HD Ultra is 880 lbs wet and GW is typically a bit over 900 sitting on the curb. When these bikes get to tipping, things can get out of hand pretty quick and if you put a passenger on the back, well it is a whole different game. So being able to stop straight and straight up becomes a priority.

The BRC will tell you to use both brakes through a complete stop. Normally that works peachy. But what a whole lot of folks do on bigger cruisers and tourers is when the bikes gets below 10 mph or the last several feet is use only the back brake. This keeps braking inline with the frame, helps upright the bike a bit and also helps overcome those nasty pavement imperfections that can move the front tire out of alignment and thus tip the bike. Keep your eyes up and straight ahead.

Now before someone starts screaming, this is for planned, geezer rider type stops and not running up on a light or stop sign and slamming on the brakes. You have to be going slow enough that you aren't going to skid. Skidding is bad, ok? But so is dropping a bike if the front tire is out of line and you are on the front brake.

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works great on small 440# supersport bikes too

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Re: Stopping Big Iron

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if you put a passenger on the back, well it is a whole different game. So being able to stop straight and straight up becomes a priority.

But what a whole lot of folks do on bigger cruisers and tourers is when the bikes gets below 10 mph or the last several feet is use only the back brake. This keeps braking inline with the frame, helps upright the bike a bit and also helps overcome those nasty pavement imperfections line.
This has become a the technique of choice with my wife onboard. We are pushing 1000 lbs. total on the 1100. Thus I wish I had a old style "standard" MC for low speed handling. Still looking into that for a 2nd. bike.




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Thanks for the tip, I'll try it out.

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Re: Stopping Big Iron

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But what a whole lot of folks do on bigger cruisers and tourers is when the bikes gets below 10 mph or the last several feet is use only the back brake. This keeps braking inline with the frame, helps upright the bike a bit and also helps overcome those nasty pavement imperfections that can move the front tire out of alignment and thus tip the bike.
Very nice tip, and even with my mid size bike and my own weight (appx 800lbs total) I tried using this with this mornings practice ride.

Worked great, looks like a good technique even with any bike.

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Makes sense, diving the front forks down is too much feedback for some to handle.



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Thanks for the tip. Even though my bike is only 500 lbs, I'll give it a try on my way home from work this afternoon.

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Makes sense, diving the front forks down is too much feedback for some to handle.
? i think its feed back telling you there is an issue with the bike. 'a lot' of fork dive is indicative of an improper suspension setup. with the suspension loaded like that and either at or near the bottoming out point one bump is all it takes to move the bike into a realm that no one can control.

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That sounds about like my typical braking maneuver, I ain`t give it no thought till now though...
I have been known to "skid" the front tire in a panic stop too... (scared the CRap outta me too!!!)
Just Make SURE there ain`t nothing on the pavement that`ll give way while HARD on the front brake!!!
AND DO NOT turn them handlebars!!!

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Coming home last night, I came across a whole herd of Deer and was in a situation to use the brakes hard, All went well...

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