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If a shock absorber on a car is very weak it can allow the tire to bounce more than it should and cause a cupping pattern in the tire tread. The bike would be the same. Tire wear maybe.

But unless the wheel is hopping up and down a huge amount it will never bend the wheel.



How many roads are very smooth and flat? With no pot holes.

Very few, and the wheels don't whack out from that just driving down the street.

What a crock.
That's what I thought, I couldn't grasp his idea of "no fork oil made the wheel wobble violently and go out of true."

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Raise the front end to take the pressure off the front suspension and remove the top caps of the fork tubes. I don't know the exact amount you need in each but it will be a few inches down the tube. Be careful when removing the caps as they are under spring pressure. Also make sure to not get them cross threaded when reinstalling them.
Should the fork tubes be fully extended or compressed to check the oil level?

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Here is what the manual states.
4.4 inches Compressed.
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Yesterday I took off the fork tube caps and compressed the suspension, with the springs in the oil level was 3 inches below the top and with the springs out about 4.5 inches below the top. I already bought new seals and wipers as my old wiper seals were cracked and a quart of 15w Bel Ray fork oil. Never do business with the lying sobs at Honda Northwest in Crystal Lake, IL
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I also called my local Harley dealer and they said that the forks have nothing to do with the truing of the wheel.
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You should pour all the old oil out into a clear jar and take it into them and ask. "Does this look like the forks had too little oil"?
Idiots.
Accidently drop it on their floor, OH SH!T.

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You should pour all the old oil out into a clear jar and take it into them and ask. "Does this look like the forks had too little oil"?
Idiots.
Accidently drop it on their floor, OH SH!T.
I'd love to do that, spill it all over the little ******* in the parts department. I got back in contact with corporate and reported them. We shall see what happens, hope they fixed my wheel correctly.
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Little update, replaced the fork seals and oil, (side note the 15w bel ray oil made a huge improvement) and the wheel is still out of true. Now it bobs up and down, have to wait till Monday to call corporate. As it looks I'm going to lose another month of riding.
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When they replaced my tires they never adjusted the chain, every little bump I'd go over there would be a clanking noise. I looked at the chain and there was about 2-2.5in of play. The bike was originally bought from this dealer in 2000. I have a feeling he's full of **** on the fork fluid too. How can I tell if there is any oil in the forks?
Easiest way is to replace it.

You've had the bike for two years - it's past due for replacing anyway!

I know many of our manuals don't list fork oil on the maintenance schedule, but consider this : It's cheap, replacing it is easy, it's subject to heating and shearing forces (thus suffers the same breakdown issues as engine oil albeit over a longer time frame), and your braking relies on having your suspension performing.

I'm one of the rare few who does this I know, but I strongly recommend at least changing it out every year if you ride often. People like Dave Moss recommend every 3 - 6 months, and from what I know racers do it every race (or every day) as their performance matters.

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Little update, replaced the fork seals and oil, (side note the 15w bel ray oil made a huge improvement) and the wheel is still out of true. Now it bobs up and down, have to wait till Monday to call corporate. As it looks I'm going to lose another month of riding.
Just as an OOI, can you be sure it's the wheel itself and not the tyre?

I don't have "wheel tools" to hand, but if I was to suspect warpage I'd rig up a stand and put my wheel on it (with axle), so the axle is held and the wheel can rotate freely (with the wheel upright). You may be able to do this with the bike on the centre stand and the rear weighted or the front gently jacked up so the front wheel is clear of the ground. If you do it this way. also "lock" the steering in place so it won't turn left-right (I'll leave this up to you to figure out )

I'd make another stand to hold a rod that sits just inside the rim and is just clear of the rim. Slowly rotate the wheel and see if the position of the rim changes in relation to the rod. If you have a significant change of position then you know the wheel is out of true, otherwise you'll see that it is the tyre that is out (check the marker line around the tyre that should line up with the rim).

It's a crude rig that might not 'stand up in court', but it should be enough to tell you for certain if it is the rim or the tyre.

Also pay attention to your wheel bearings while doing this. It should be damned obvious if they're damaged and causing a similar effect, but I have known a couple of cases where a bearing is damaged in a way that can't be seen or felt by hand but shows up under load.

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