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(^&&%$ bead

So after great success in mounting tire with little effort on Harbor Freight machine, I cannot get the bead to set.


My car tire folks won't help me except to give me some of the tire paste they use.



Everything on YouTube seems to be for tubeless tires.


Am I correct that setting the beads is as critical on a tube tire as a tubeless?


Am I correct that if I'm doing it right it shouldn't take a lot of air pressure?


Only three days until we're supposed to leave for Rolling Thunder. Not panicking yet. Gonna do that tomorrow.


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My suggestion, as it's always worked for me, is a liberal application of baby/talcum powder to your tube, which may require removing the tube.

Step # 2 is to remove the core from the valve stem when you inflate. Apply dish soap or tire lube to the beads. You may have to "over-inflate" to seat the beads. If you have to exceed 40 psi to seat the beads you may need to dismount the tire and stretch the beads, either by applying sufficient downward force to the tread and rotating the tire occasionally, or/and pulling the tire's beads apart by hand and working around the tire.

A lot of tires, particularly tube-type tires, come practically flattened and this can make them very difficult to get seated.

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Apply lubrication and psi. Leave in sunlight to help it pop.
There are threads here in this, a lot if them state high PSI. Heard near 100psi before.
Valve stem out, lubrication and not a wimpy low volume compressor!


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Ratchet strap placed around the OD of tire and tighten. Works on tubeless tires should work on tubed.




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Never had a problem seating the bead on my tubed tires. Just add a little more pressure and bounce it on the floor as you rotate it. When it seats, back off the pressure to where you want to run it.

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WHOOOO HOOOOO !

2 hours of hot sun and a couple of cups of 90% DAWN and at 20# pressure they popped so gently I barely heard them over the compressor. But I FELT them go "AHHHH. Finally"



My car tire guy gave me a baseball sized ball of their tire mounting paste - a year ago when we were working on my son's 600. In a plastic grocery bag which I twisted tight and wrapped in foil. Apparently it does not store well when not in an airtight container. DAWN from now on.



Thank you all again for the help and encouragement.


Anybody riding in Rolling Thunder? PM me cell phone and we'll try to find each other among 100,000 of our closest friends. THAT sounds cool enough I'm gonna start a new post.

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Glad you got it taken care of.
Getting that bead to seat can be a pain sometimes.

My front tire was easy to get done (not even 45 PSI), but my rear tire (a car tire/darkside) was over 100 PSI. Not fun to do. (and yes, no need to lecture me on that, had a whole thread on it when I did it).

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After all the time spent trying to seat the beads, the HF tire machine won't ever pay for itself. That was a lot of work!

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After all the time spent trying to seat the beads, the HF tire machine won't ever pay for itself. That was a lot of work!
Less that 2 sets of tires will pay for itself.
Split cost with a buddy and one set does.
Me, I support local and let them do it. Cost $25-45 /tire. $25 if you buy from them, $45 if you roll them in with your new rubbers.


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After all the time spent trying to seat the beads, the HF tire machine won't ever pay for itself. That was a lot of work!
Depends on location.
Around me, it is $50-65/tire to mount and balance if you bring in the tire, another $25-50 per tire if on the bike still.
None have mentioned a discounted price if I buy the tire there (they may, just did not ask).

And a few hours messing around with stuff is not an issue for me. I do not charge myself an hourly rate, it is a hobby, if I get tired of it (no pun intended), I just come back to it later. Me spending a little cash to not pay someone else more money still lets me come out ahead.

I don't feel I have a need for a tire changer, I have done 2 without one, and will do future ones as well, although I will be buying some real tire spoons, since using a regular pry bar to remove/mount them can cause damage to the rim and tire.


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