Originally Posted by oldbikes.rule
markc, you are right about the manual telling you this but there are COUNTLESS OTHER motorcycle oil out there it DOES NOT have to be Honda brand, and thats what the manual is talking about, sure you can use auto oil in a non-wet clutch. The damage it can cause and cost to repair is not work the little saved. I did look over your page and it was not where I found info. I'm glad you work on forktrucks and they are closer to autos than bikes. I don't think you were ever formally trained in motorcycle repair and I have seen dealers pay people to put bikes together with out ANY training. I will give you credit on your cutting apart filters, and there is lots of truth about some of the brands of filters.
As for me, I payed me dues on the line and enjoyed many years at the factory and hated to see her close and those jobs go across the big water. It all comes down to not putting out info that harm others peoples hard earned property and if your not in a test facility with the hard data and hours of testing on the OUTCOME then don't be a poser. Your not paying the price in the long run, everyone else is.
Peace and God Bless
Well, I have KNOWN more than one dealer that sold there motorcycle branded line of motorcycle oil off the shelf, but when servicing a bike (non warranty) they used Valvoline 10W-40 from one of those LARGE rack mounted bulk oil drums! (fact). Of course they didn't charge you for that LOL!
You still have the wrong idea about me. I NEVER, EVER, recommended the idea of using a non motorcycle specific oil. Most people that do that are already curious about the idea anyway, they are already LOOKING for the information, asking questions. I don't go around lobbying the concept. The only thing I did or do is try to put the idea in a SIMPLE form and EASY to find.
They are oil companies that now have gotten on the band wagon with motorcycle specific oils (thats a bottle of oil with a picture of a motorcycle on it) that before they did, recommended there OTHER oil as safe and good for motorcycle wet clutch applications!
I don't know if Shell oil still has their "Motorcycle" forum still up but a short time ago that had a HUGE following of motorcycle owners that LOVED the Rotella-T oils for their Asian motorcycles!
So, lets see,
You have NO IDEA why you can't use non motorcycle specific oils in our bikes, other than it doesn't seem like a good idea to you
Honda doesn't want us to. (no body would expect any less)
The Stealers say its BAD and not to do it. (What most people know that behind that is a loss of money for them)
And you read the manual and read it as they are saying "Motorcycle Specific oils only" I think in a court of law you would lose that point
You know its fine that you don't agree with the information in this thread, but why crash land and bash it and me when you only have BAD thoughts, or it just don't seem right about non specific motorcycle oils being used in our bikes and nothing at all to back it up, what's up with that??
You say I'm BS'in people but they are countless testimonies to the use of these oils in motorcycles, and countless praise reports about using them.
When I did the oilology post I figured that some DAY some BRAIN from some oil company (chemist maybe) would come along that could break all the oil information down, and just take over the WHOLE oil topic, maybe even create a NEW AND IMPROVED Oilology thread, but that's not happened yet.
I Never Claimed to be a chemist, be certified, nor highly trained, nor did I ever try to get people to believe otherwise.
The information that I put in this thread is SIMPLE, basic, and NOT high tech. But it sure has helped to reduce oil debates on the forum, and your the FIRST to bash it out of thousands of members here
Yes! I know that they are people here that WOULD never consider running nothing but motorcycle specific oils in their bikes, and that's fine!
but like I said before, this topic isn't for those people, its for the ones that ALREADY have the thinking that there is something rotten in Demark with the "Motorcycle Specific" oil deal! the informtion here is to HELP to save them from going down a bad road.
I've said many times in the past that if someone is going to go this route that's okay, BUT!!! do some research! And this topic is my collection (collective) information that I have gathered up sense around 1971 when I started working on Motorcross bikes,
from there as an Auto mechanic,
To working as a mechanic in a warehouse,
To doing ALL my own maintenance on every vehicle I ever OWNED! and at one time I owned 5 motorcycles, PLUS my car, my wifes car, and TWO stepsons that had cars (I helped them maintain theirs at that time). and I have ALWAYS been picky about motor oils!!!
From emails to oil compaines,
From searching the internet,
From working around (for a short time)at a Stealer ship!
From a motorcycle mechanic friend that is both Honda and Yamaha certified that I've known sense 1981 when I bought my first Virago and he did the warranty work on it for me, he now has his own bike service shop. By the way, unless the customer brings in his own oil, my friend will put Castrol GTX oil in the bike. And if it causes a clutch problem he would have to warranty the repair. Well he has been putting that oil in wet clutch motorcycle FOR YEARS! and he has NEVER had a engine problem of ANY kind that was oil related!!!
So, yes! my information is "Collective" But your Uncertain feelings, your fear, your thinking that the world is FLAT!! isn't going to make me re-write or take down the oilology topic! Sorry!
I'm not trained in cutting oil filters apart either! But thanks for noticing that
P.S The oilology thread has a post date, but that date isn't correct! what happened is this forum out grew its old server and when it was moved most of EVERYTHING started over from that date! Thats also why you see members with HUGE numbers of post in just a few months.