V&H can be quiet,...there is a video on youtube where some guy showed how to block the baffle in the middle and it worked out good for me,.i don't throw sound for miles like a total douche anymore, and i can use some throttle in town. before i could not go past 1200 rpm without sounding like a total pole smoking penis watcher. the guy in the video made a big freaking production out of it but i simply removed the baffle, cut a slot into one side in the exact middle,shoved in a piece of flatbar,welded it in,cut,grind,sand it smooth then shove it back in.( i also pried open a few of the holes in the baffle just to open it up a little...about 6 per side front and back of the stopper) i was jacked up on coffee so i had it done in 20 min or less...spent more time trying to turn the bolt holding the baffle in,it would not turn. i found you can stick a flat screwdriver under it ,pry it up till the end of the bolt clears.