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My wife took the MSF course with me and her only experience was the 250cc rebel in the training lot.

Since then we have taken my vt500c to the same lot a couple of times for her to try.

I would like to get her a bike that she can learn on but she feels my bike is top heavy (for her). Been looking at a few choices (inexpensive) and I really like a vt600 for seat height and she may indeed never move up from there.

I could just get a Rebel for her to gain confidence over the next couple months and then trade up.

This 83 Nighthawk is in near perfect condition and priced right.

What bothers me is it has the same seat height as mine....will it be as top heavy?(in her eyes) and it pumps 70hp.

Any input from the board?

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I have a 1984 nighthawk 650 and yes I do find it to be a little top heavy, but its not a huge problem.

What are your concerns with it being a little top heavy?
 

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Yes, it'll be top-heavy (to her) and she won't like the foot position compared to the 250 Rebel. She also might be a little intimidated with all the HP, higher rev's needed for "gettin' goin'"(off idle) and the conception of "[email protected]@king" over the front wheel. Sad to say these were my wife's concerns just like yours. You'll have to go with "her" confidence building schedule rather than yours........I know about these things. :oops: :wink:

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Lisa and Bullzeyet,

I don't see my bike as top heavy whatsoever. The problem is SHE does.

Personally I would like to see her LEARN on the bike she will ride this summer rather than a bike that most want off of after three months.

The Nighthawk is so clean that I hate to pass on the bike but alas.....

Does a VT600 with a low seat have a LOW center of gravity to match?

Other low center of gravity learn it bikes are????
 

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My bike being top heavy doesn't bother me too much. I love my bike. I love the seating position and peg position. I can ride all day (with normal amount of breaks aka Tim Hortons) and my butt, back etc doesn't bother me much at all.

I'm very happy with my nighthawk and hope it can last me a long time.
 

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i had a 650 night hawk last year and it was very quick and powerfull bike and fairly light at about 450lbs. the bike i have now is a 04 shadow aero 750 and it is alot more top heavy than the night hawk. i have ridden my old bike a couple of times since i sold it to my friend and can't believe how light it feel s when i get on it but it does have a higher seat height than what my aero does.(it is loW at 27 inches).
 

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I orginally bought a 650 Nighthawk for my wife, she's 5'1" and found the bike too tall with the stock seat. At stop signs she had to stand on her tip toes. I traded it on a VLX600 and she loves it. The seat height is perfect, she sits flat footed on the VLX.
 

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I think you are experiencing what I did......she wants, what she wants!!!! :shock: :roll: :lol:

YOU, as a more experienced rider, are trying to be as practical as possible and "see" the need for the 650. SHE, on the other hand is "troubled/worried/lacks confidence" as to the 650 "sized" bike. It's going to take a really good "heart to heart talk" between the two of you. Neither is right....for all general purposes in this decision.

You have to really explain to her, not only the purpose, but how "her" experience would be further advanced by going the 650 route. Explain that many "motorcyclist" have had to "expand" their riding by riding different bikes, bike models to find what IS the bike they want. BUT, as most of us know, these "wants" often change as one's riding envelope expands for longer time/destinations.

It's not easy but all you can do is "talk it thru" and neither person get mad. :wink:

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Try a Suzuki Boulevard S40 (Savage 650). It's 350 pounds has the power when you need it and is the perfect starter bike!

At 5'1, my wife loves her "Sally"

 

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Hunnus2000,

That's interesting as one JUST appeared on Craigslist here 5 minutes ago...

Here are the specs>

• 2003 Suzuki LS 650 Savage



Manufacturer - Make - Model - Year: Suzuki LS 650 Savage 2003
Motorcycle Style: Cruiser






Engine Type: 652 cc, 4-Stroke, Air Cooled, Single
Engine Bore and Stroke: 94 mm x 94 mm
Compression Ratio: 8.5:1
Valves SOHC, 4 valves/cylinder
Carburetion: Mikuni BS40
Ignition System: Transistorized
Claimed Horsepower: 31 hp (23.1 kW) @ 5400 rpm
Maximum Torque: 45.5 Nm (33.6 ft. lbs) @ 3400 rpm

Transmission type: 5 speed
Final Drive: Belt




Tire - Front: 100/90-19
Tire - Rear: 140/80-15
Brakes - Front: single 260 mm disc with 1-piston calipers
Brakes - Rear: 160 mm drum




Overall - Length: 2180 mm (85.8 inches)
Overall - Width: 775 mm (30.5 inches)
Overall - Height: 1150 mm (45.3 inches)
Seat Height: 700 mm (27.6 inches)
Wheelbase 1480 mm (58.3 inches)
Fuel Capacity: 10.5 l
Dry Weight (without fluids): 160 kg (352.7 pounds)
Who would think a 650 would weigh only 352 lbs????

What's with the 31hp????

Does it have the stamina for a highway?
 

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An '83 CB650SC was my main ride for 20 years.
A very good handling scoot. Predictable, not twitchy (though mine had a nasty speed wobble at around 115), and very low maintainence. This bike will do great burn outs, and wheelie thru 3rd gear.

That being said, I would not put an FNG on a 650 Nighthawk as a learn to ride scooter. While not in a class with today's sportbikes, the Nighthawk is still a rocketship. It would be very easy for a novice to hurt themselves with this bike.

IMO stick with a v twin or a single lung for a trainer.
Something that won't lift the front wheel easily on cue.
 

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Hunnus2000,

That's interesting as one JUST appeared on Craigslist here 5 minutes ago...

Here are the specs>

• 2003 Suzuki LS 650 Savage



Manufacturer - Make - Model - Year: Suzuki LS 650 Savage 2003
Motorcycle Style: Cruiser






Engine Type: 652 cc, 4-Stroke, Air Cooled, Single
Engine Bore and Stroke: 94 mm x 94 mm
Compression Ratio: 8.5:1
Valves SOHC, 4 valves/cylinder
Carburetion: Mikuni BS40
Ignition System: Transistorized
Claimed Horsepower: 31 hp (23.1 kW) @ 5400 rpm
Maximum Torque: 45.5 Nm (33.6 ft. lbs) @ 3400 rpm

Transmission type: 5 speed
Final Drive: Belt




Tire - Front: 100/90-19
Tire - Rear: 140/80-15
Brakes - Front: single 260 mm disc with 1-piston calipers
Brakes - Rear: 160 mm drum




Overall - Length: 2180 mm (85.8 inches)
Overall - Width: 775 mm (30.5 inches)
Overall - Height: 1150 mm (45.3 inches)
Seat Height: 700 mm (27.6 inches)
Wheelbase 1480 mm (58.3 inches)
Fuel Capacity: 10.5 l
Dry Weight (without fluids): 160 kg (352.7 pounds)
Who would think a 650 would weigh only 352 lbs????

What's with the 31hp????

Does it have the stamina for a highway?
With the carb. rejetted and a different pipe it will easily keep up on the highway. In fact, once you hit 50 and put it into 5th....watch out!

That said, the wind will knock you around but for a beginner bike? It's PERFECT and the Savage is well known as a bike to "mod. out". Check out this web-site http://suzukisavage.com/ and you'll see what I'm talking about. There are others on this forum that will speak well of the Savage.

Now the wife will get another bigger bike one day....but not today!
 

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tropicalsuns,

I know where your wife is coming from because I had the same
problems. I bought a used 2002 Suzuki GZ 250cc to learn to ride on.
Took my MSF and still practiced with the 250 before I went out on the
road, even then I still rode that bike till I felt I was ready to get
something else. I would get the rebel for her till she is sure of herself.
Remember SHE is the one riding this bike not you.

Been there done it!!! :) :) :) :)
 

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SEE.....I told ya!!!! :p :p :p :p :lol: :lol:

Women have a VERY different approach to this riding thing!!! :shock: :lol:

Welcome to the world of 2 riders in the house!! :twisted:

Bullzeyet
 
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