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Sorry I don't find this good news. I think it gives more bravado to the many idiots on bikes and in sports cars already out there,,it is a road, not a private playground.

Edit..oh and folks remember this next time some state proposes a ban on bikes or the number of cc's they can be
 

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I had heard something along these lines a-while back.. Saw a couple of YouTube clips too, of trucks cutting across both lanes trying to make a corner and doing so, had caused accidents..
 

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Sorry I don't find this good news. I think it gives more bravado to the many idiots on bikes and in sports cars already out there,,it is a road, not a private playground.

Edit..oh and folks remember this next time some state proposes a ban on bikes or the number of cc's they can be
Although both seem to be problems on this road, I think they're two different issues. Trucks are banned from roadways all over the country as to avoid traffic issues. Now as for the former, I'd be much more worried about some thoughtless, inconsiderate, fool taking a curve too fast and taking me out. I'd be interested to know how many accidents here are caused by semi truck mishaps and how many were caused by someone tearing a$$ in a hot car or a bike.
 

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The trucks take up both lanes when going around the hair pins. It is a good thing that they are being banned. Those trucks cause serious accident with cars too, not just the bikes. It is not an 18 wheeler friendly road. Their GPS takes them through it because it is the shortest route. The road is not wide enough in some areas for them to make the turns and they get stuck, blocking traffic for hours sometimes trying to navigate it.
 

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i drive/ride both. if its a truck route ill take it, if its a road ill ride it
 

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The trucks take up both lanes when going around the hair pins. It is a good thing that they are being banned. Those trucks cause serious accident with cars too, not just the bikes. It is not an 18 wheeler friendly road. Their GPS takes them through it because it is the shortest route. The road is not wide enough in some areas for them to make the turns and they get stuck, blocking traffic for hours sometimes trying to navigate it.
Exactly.

I've been to the Dragon twice and spent one day (and night) there both times. BOTH times, the road was closed due to overturned trucks. The first time it was closed for most of the day and well into the night, with serious damage done to the rig and a lot of stranded motorists and riders. The second time, hours passed. This meant that not only the tourists and riders were inconvenienced and possibly endangered, but that the locals lost their access and emergency services, such and fire and medical vehicles, which would not be able to get through. There aren't a lot of alternate routes in this area.

The road is just not built to handle these trucks. Period.

If one were to look at a paper map, the road looks like a neat little shortcut because the curves don't show at that scale. A trucker could easily get stuck on the Dragon with nothing to do but ride it out. The same goes for some poor driver who was just following his GPS...Anyone who was unfamiliar with the area.

Regarding the bikers and cagers...Most of them seem to be happy just to cruise the Dragon. Of course, the relatively small number of speedsters capture all the attention on YouTube, but with the crackdown several years ago, I'm guessing that's not as common as it was.

And as anyone who actually has been there probably knows, the bikers often take on a protective role when a big rig comes through, escorting the vehicle safely through and warning oncoming traffic.

If I had my choice of dangers, I'd rather have a bike pass me much faster than I'm willing to go than come out of a blind curve (this is the Dragon, which is pretty much all blind curves) and be surprised by a rig laying sideways in front of me. :shock:
And a wrecked or downed bike is a lot easier to clear than an eighteen-wheeler.

Yes, this is a good thing.

The pic below is from my first trip out to the Dragon ...
 

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Not to mention the environmental damage caused by big rig accidents through that stretch... Far worse than what a bike or car can do.
 

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One question..is there a truckers tree of shame?

Ah heck another..is there a camera set up to take pics of truckers barreling round the corners?

Nope to both..why? Truckers use the road to get to and fro, bikers and sports car riders use it as a playground, many if not all illegally exceeding the speed limits on curves to prove something to themselves.

 

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Nope to both..why? Truckers use the road to get to and fro, bikers and sports car riders use it as a playground, many if not all illegally exceeding the speed limits on curves to prove something to themselves. ]

Um, so? Why pay taxes for roads if you can't enjoy them?


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if there is a better route for a Semi Trailer Truck to take then i say its just a formality to make it law because any experienced Semi Trucker would avoid that type of area like the plague.
So that leaves the not-so-experienced Semi Truck drivers or drivers with less than optimal judgement who would choose to drive the Dragon at work.

If there is a better faster route for Semi-Trucks, I say make it a law.
 

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Although both seem to be problems on this road, I think they're two different issues. Trucks are banned from roadways all over the country as to avoid traffic issues. Now as for the former, I'd be much more worried about some thoughtless, inconsiderate, fool taking a curve too fast and taking me out. I'd be interested to know how many accidents here are caused by semi truck mishaps and how many were caused by someone tearing a$$ in a hot car or a bike.
Yeah, but isn't just a handful too many when they can be wholly avoidable? ..One type of situation being elective, the other not.. Can't ban or blame the vehicle because it "might", possibly, be able to cause an accident - if the driver was acting the fool.. There would be no vehicles on the road at all, if that were the case..

But banning a vehicle because it can't physically travel a road in a safe manner makes sense.. Like you say.. Lots of roads with vehicle limitations placed on them for that reason.. No different here I would think..
 

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Why ban vehicles that are not the main problem with fatalities?

I wasn't aware (and I live a good bit closer to there than you) that there was a "problem" with fatalities. Over the last ten years, they average less than 3 per year. You make it sound like hundreds are going over the cliffs every month.


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Why ban vehicles that are not the main problem with fatalities?
So, Dave. It sounds like you'd be OK with the ban if no motorcycles ran the Dragon and just little old ladies used it for Sunday drives, and the only problem was the current state of big rigs rolling into the ditches?

I do not believe the behavior and abuse by the bikers and drivers is a reason not to take the obviously appropriate action to ban those big trucks.

I do think that appropriate action should also be taken to address the issue with the speeding vehicles. The problem there is NOT the vehicle, but the behavior.

Ban the actual problems, size of vehicle and bad behavior.

Now that the big rigs are out of the way, law enforcement can concentrate on enforcing proper behavior. It will now be safer for them to give chase.
 

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So, Dave. It sounds like you'd be OK with the ban if no motorcycles ran the Dragon and just little old ladies used it for Sunday drives, and the only problem was the current state of big rigs rolling into the ditches?

I do not believe the behavior and abuse by the bikers and drivers is a reason not to take the obviously appropriate action to ban those big trucks.

I do think that appropriate action should also be taken to address the issue with the speeding vehicles. The problem there is NOT the vehicle, but the behavior.

Ban the actual problems, size of vehicle and bad behavior.

Now that the big rigs are out of the way, law enforcement can concentrate on enforcing proper behavior. It will now be safer for them to give chase.

No I am against the ban of any vehicle that is legal for road use, anywhere. Bans lead to more bans, like fast food joints banning bikes from the drive thru, banning motorcycles above a certain cc etc. The road has been there a long time, trucks have used it for a long time.. so why the sudden problem with them? Maybe they drive like the sports cars and bikes that crash? As you stated behavior..not vehicle.. kind of like banning cell phone use which punishes all for the actions of a few.
 

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I wasn't aware (and I live a good bit closer to there than you) that there was a "problem" with fatalities. Over the last ten years, they average less than 3 per year. You make it sound like hundreds are going over the cliffs every month.


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If I were trying to make it sound like that I would not have posted a pic stat which obviously shows it is not, the point being however is that is where the main fatality problem lays 3 even less than 3 per year on one section of road is too much, especially since they are mainly from one type of vehicle, Logic dictates that if anything should be banned from that road it is actually motorcycles, but that is taking the cheap way out.
 

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If I were trying to make it sound like that I would not have posted a pic stat which obviously shows it is not, the point being however is that is where the main fatality problem lays 3 even less than 3 per year on one section of road is too much, especially since they are mainly from one type of vehicle, Logic dictates that if anything should be banned from that road it is actually motorcycles, but that is taking the cheap way out.

If you spoke from actually personal knowledge of the road and the area, you might be able to have an argument to stand on.

These rigs do cause major traffic jams, cause accidents, and have killed bikers, cagers, and died themselves in roll-overs.

Motorcycles on this road only kill themselves and that is VERY rare. These rigs kill others while also hurting the environment.

You are saying this belongs? http://youtu.be/6haNzNzWG-0


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No I am against the ban of any vehicle that is legal for road use, anywhere. Bans lead to more bans, like fast food joints banning bikes from the drive thru, banning motorcycles above a certain cc etc. The road has been there a long time, trucks have used it for a long time.. so why the sudden problem with them? Maybe they drive like the sports cars and bikes that crash? As you stated behavior..not vehicle.. kind of like banning cell phone use which punishes all for the actions of a few.
So how about not banning a truck that is 12'6" tall when the road is DESIGNED to not allow a truck over 11'8" tall...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whc5rpjrrHI

What about the bans on certain types of cargo being transported through certain areas? Most specifically Hazardous Chemicals and Nuclear Waste?

If you say that is to protect everyone else then you sir are a hypocrite, but please don't take that as a personal attack everyone is entitled to their respective opinion. I believe this ban will not only protect everyday drivers that use that road for their commute, but also tourists and truckers alike! The article states that North Carolina had bans in place on their side Tennessee is just playing catchup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIoN3vpX7zM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4imxLZ3PkPQ
http://youtu.be/K16YnmJN0fc?t=4m44s

The fact that there is not a trucker tree of shame is that the road doesn't attract truckers to test their skill nearly as much as cars and motorcycles.

I agree that this is NOT a personal playground but a public road. It does NOT change the fact that trucks can NOT use this road SAFELY.
 
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