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Battery died today on a sunny wind-less day(i was bummed to say the least) but the garage need cleaning so i was ok with it. anyways, i was wondering where was the best brand and place to get one. Also about how much will be expected to pay for one. This is the original battery i'm replacing. I have a 750 ACE.

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You probably can not buy a gel battery for your bike, even if you could, you would not want it because your bike is made for a flooded cell or an AGM. Gel batteries need a slightly lower voltage when charging to prevent overcharging. When over-charged a gel cell battery can develop a ‘void’ that adheres to the plates in the battery thus reducing the battery’s performance. Silica gel is added to the electrolyte to make the gel. Gel batteries are used mainly for indoor use, like security systems, UPS units, and emergency lighting. AGM technology was invented in 1985 for military aircraft.

My VT1100 has the Yuasa YTZ14S. It is an AGM and sealed at the factory in Japan. After all the trouble I have had with the flooded cell T-batteries, it’s a good feeling to have a dependable battery. http://www.yuasabatteries.com/battery.asp?bID=B179&vID=1791

Wally World has EverStart brand AGM batteries. The buyer must add the electrolyte to them. Made in Taiwan. Wally World also has flooded cell batteries, so look close.
 

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what is the price range for those YUASA batteries? I know cheaper is better for the wallet but in the long run is it?? I'd rather have dependability than be stuck somewhere hours from home.
Someone on a past thread mention that they "popped" their bike to get it started when thier battery died. Is that the same as "popping" the cluth in a stick shirt car??
 

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cactus said:
what is the price range for those YUASA batteries? I know cheaper is better for the wallet but in the long run is it?? I'd rather have dependability than be stuck somewhere hours from home.
Someone on a past thread mention that they "popped" their bike to get it started when thier battery died. Is that the same as "popping" the cluth in a stick shirt car??
Try the online site batteriesusa.com or go to a batteries plus if they have them around you.

I picked up the AGM Yusa for my 1100 and love it, it was about 85 delivered a year or so ago.

A bike won't start if the battery is too low using the bump start method, the stator, rectifier arrangement needs a minium voltage to start making enough voltage for the engine to start. Yes it's like popping the clutch in a stick shift car.
 

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gotopage69 wrote:

Wally World has EverStart brand AGM batteries. The buyer must add the electrolyte to them.
I'm not challenging you since I seem to learn something daily in spite of myself, but I thought AGM batteries were sealed like a GEL.

Rick
 

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Kermitdafrog said:
gotopage69 wrote:

Wally World has EverStart brand AGM batteries. The buyer must add the electrolyte to them.
I'm not challenging you since I seem to learn something daily in spite of myself, but I thought AGM batteries were sealed like a GEL.

Rick
AGM batteries are "sealed" type batteries, i.e. there are no "caps" like wet batteries. AGM batteries are available already filled, or as "need to be filled by the dealer/customer". The ones that are filled by the dealer or customer come with "plugs" to seal the cells after filling with acid. Once sealed, they are "maintenance free".

Jim
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A bike won't start if the battery is too low using the bump start method, the stator, rectifier arrangement needs a minium voltage to start making enough voltage for the engine to start. Yes it's like popping the clutch in a stick shift car.
I ran my battery down not too long ago to the point where it wouldn't crank the starter and I push started it. How low are we talking Chuck?

Yes the push starting process is the same as in a car.

Anyone familiar with Big Crank batteries? They're very popular on another site I read.
 

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Kermitdafrog said:
gotopage69 wrote:

Wally World has EverStart brand AGM batteries. The buyer must add the electrolyte to them.
I'm not challenging you since I seem to learn something daily in spite of myself, but I thought AGM batteries were sealed like a GEL.

Rick
Rick,
Glad you ask, makes for good exchange of information. I used to think all AGM batteries were sealed at the factory.

Currently, I have 20 batteries, so maintenance and battery life are important to me. On several occasions, I have e-mailed Alan Kohler with Yuasa with battery questions. He has always taken the time to answer. So, I ask him about the AGM batteries that are not sealed at the factory.
Al

Copy & paste.
AGM refers to "Absorbed Glass Mat" which is the type of construction where the fiberglass mat separators hold the acid.
These batteries can be processed one of two ways.
- acid filled at the factory, making them a perishable item as soon as they are charged here.
- acid filled by the customer, using the supplied acid pack. These battery are considered New when you fill and charge the battery.

In both cases, once the strip cap is installed, the battery is permanently sealed, and is now a working maintenance-free battery.

Sometimes part of the reason for doing it one way or the other has to due with the hazardous shipping involved with either sending acid loose and/or a live battery in the filled type. The latter being less hazardous.

I hope this explains, but what you see is normal, and still AGM, even though filled by you.
By the way, due to their special manufacturing process, YTZ's are only made already filled and charged, and the only place that makes them is Japan. We do not make them here in the US.

Alan Kohler
Product Specialist
Yuasa Battery Inc.
2901 Montrose Ave.
Laureldale, PA 19605
 

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gotopage69,

Thanks for the info, I learned something else today.

I used to use 100-125 ah AGM's for some solar powered wireless repeaters here at work that I built, and all that I had seen, plus my YTZ on the bike looked permanently factory sealed, so I always thought that was the norm. I also erroneously thought that the electrolyte in an AGM was more of a gel than a liquid, so couldn't imagine the user being able to fill a battery.

Thanks again,

Rick
 
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