[pastordave1]

I had part of this in another thread but it's kind of buried because of the title.
As an early B- day present( 4/5 ) I got a set of Scootmods 4"forward controls.
What they sell is a kit to move your existing controls forward at a much lower cost then buying a complete forward control set which is what I wanted because I wanted to use the mini floorboards that were given to me through the broke bikers thread and the fact that I don't have the kind of money most sets cost.
These are very good quality especially at the price. I can be a little picky so I'll put in my .02 here and move on. there were a couple fit problems that I had to do some very minor filing on and the only reason I bring it up is because I had it all together and had to take the brake side all apart and fie and put back together. they were so tight the spring would not return the brake pedal but after fixing the two areas causing the problem it works great. Also the opposite is true of the part the pedal goes on, it is slightly too small and the pedal has a very slight wiggle it didn't have before but not noticeable riding.
So all total about 2 hours of work time and they are done.
The video link they sent did not work but they also mentioned that there is an excellent install video by a guy named Bob in Mesa, well we all know who that is, our very own Bobolto from the forum here and yes it was a great video and very helpful to watch first. the only thing I did different besides the fixs was that I did not remove the pipes, I just took off the whole brake bracket and it worked great that way and was easier IMHO to get at the cotter pin in back and one less big step to have to do. I HAVE 4'' HIS EXTENSIONS ARE 6'' AND ALSO HIS ARE ON AN AERO so I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
I road it to work and ready to ride back home and they work great. My feet adjust to where they are right away and they feel great.
Now I need to get out on a long ride and check them out!
Any questions I'll be happy to answer if you are interested in doing this. I am 5 8 1/2" tall with a 32" inseam and these seem to be the perfect change for me.

 

[Mr.Wilson]

Cool pastor!!!! you found a way to make it work. What a blessing. Seems the little things make the biggest difference.

 

[pastordave1]

Cool pastor!!!! you found a way to make it work. What a blessing. Seems the little things make the biggest difference.

Amen to that!

 

[pastordave1]

BTW, I know I need pictures. Too late and dark out. Tomorrow or Saturday I'll try and make some time to take some pictures. Gotta do the tax thing this weekend.

 

[Bobolto]

Amen to that!

When i heard your inseam was only 32" i was wondering why you needed forward controls, Scootmods even states that they are for people with inseams over 32".

That said, i am also surprised that you had any fit issues installing the kit.
I installed the 6" Scootmods and did not need any mods for it to fit.

If you have time take some close up pics of the installation, particularly the brake side linkage and where you had to grind/file surfaces to fit.
Wondering if you have the linkage installed correctly.

 

[pastordave1]

I'll get some close ups when I can, I know I got them right everything was just ever so slightly off, the stud the brake lever goes on was equally as off the other way so slightly loose. So the parts would have fit each other the way they were made.

 

[Bobolto]

I'll get some close ups when I can, I know I got them right everything was just ever so slightly off, the stud the brake lever goes on was equally as off the other way so slightly loose. So the parts would have fit each other the way they were made.

ok, if you are sure then forget the pics. maybe the 4" controls are a different design than the 6" controls.

Hope you like them and they help with your back etc....

you got them installed, so congrats!

 

[pastordave1]

ok, if you are sure then forget the pics. maybe the 4" controls are a different design than the 6" controls.

Hope you like them and they help with your back etc....

you got them installed, so congrats!

The part that goes on the large pin fit very snug and the hole that the pin goes through to connect to the rod that actuates the brake was real tight also so the two together made it so tight the spring couldn't pull it back but some slight filing in the back part of big hole and ream the small one made everything move good and smooth. It was about the thickness of the paint so maybe they cut them to size before they painted those parts? But like you said it all works now so alls good!

 

[Bobolto]

The part that goes on the large pin fit very snug and the hole that the pin goes through to connect to the rod that actuates the brake was real tight also so the two together made it so tight the spring couldn't pull it back but some slight filing in the back part of big hole and ream the small one made everything move good and smooth. It was about the thickness of the paint so maybe they cut them to size before they painted those parts? But like you said it all works now so alls good!

on mine, the scootmods "swivel link" that connects the brake pedal to the "swing arm" (where the pedal used to mount)
mounted on the inside of the brake pedal then went straight back to the "swing arm". At first, it didnt look like it would mount that way but after things were snugged down it lined up perfectly.

do you have that swivel link on the inside of the brake pedal?

again without seeing the design of the 4" (vs the 6") it may be a mute point.

 

[pastordave1]

When i heard your inseam was only 32" i was wondering why you needed forward controls, Scootmods even states that they are for people with inseams over 32".

That said, i am also surprised that you had any fit issues installing the kit.
I installed the 6" Scootmods and did not need any mods for it to fit.

If you have time take some close up pics of the installation, particularly the brake side linkage and where you had to grind/file surfaces to fit.
Wondering if you have the linkage installed correctly.

As far as the inseam it's closer to 32 1/2" and with my boots 1" heals it makes it closer to 33 1/2" so right on the edge and with my back problems I need my legs stretched out a bit not in a chair seating position which pinches my nerves and couses severe pain in my leg so therefore the mini boards and extensions for relaxed foot placement and legs streached out enough to not pinch.

 

[pastordave1]

on mine, the scootmods "swivel link" that connects the brake pedal to the "swing arm" (where the pedal used to mount)
mounted on the inside of the brake pedal then went straight back to the "swing arm". At first, it didnt look like it would mount that way but after things were snugged down it lined up perfectly.

do you have that swivel link on the inside of the brake pedal?

again without seeing the design of the 4" (vs the 6") it may be a mute point.

I'll have to look when I go back out but pretty sure its mounted behind also.

 

[Bobolto]

I'll have to look when I go back out but pretty sure its mounted behind also.

I know someone who installed a set of 4" on a Spirit and he had to file down the end of the brake rod on the inside surface so it would move freely.

there is a Youtube about him doing it, it was a Spirit.

if they were really close and just a hair off then you probably installed them right.

you would know if you didnt and/or will after you get a chance to ride it for awhile.

 

[pastordave1]

slight scare

A short update.
I went back out to check the location of the linkage and it is indeed behind like I thought, good thing it is. Everything was good when I left for work, having been a Journeyman Maint Mech I know to double and triple check things because peoples lives were at risk with the types of machines I repaired.
The nut for said linkage was gone!
Coming from the back there was no way for the linkage to come out and all worked great on the way home so I dindnt notice it then. I looked all over where I worked on it just in case but not there anywhere then traced my ride to the house and back out of the driveway, nothing. Looked for a metric but to fit, nothing. Now I was upset that I have to make a 50 mile round trip for a but today in my van to be safe but as I went out this morning walking Thunder then doing my pull ups looked over at my inversion table and said, " that looks like the size I need". Took it off and sure enough it is and its a locking but like the one on the controls was supposed to be and I had just enough room to get a lock washer on it and I used blue lock tight also. Its on there now and isn't coming off.
This had nothing to do with the other problem, completely unrelated. The only thing I can think is because I had that one on and off a couple times to get the rest working properly that the nylon locking part came out and I only snuged it up so the little vibration of the short ride loostened it up and off it went somewhere. All is good now and I can replace the one I took off the inversion table with a 1/4" but and bolt and it will be good to go.
The moral of the story, don't trust used lock nuts an make sure they are tight. That was the only one I didn't go back and retighten because it looked good and was a locking but. Never assume!

 

[Bobolto]

A short update.
I went back out to check the location of the linkage and it is indeed behind like I thought, good thing it is. Everything was good when I left for work, having been a Journeyman Maint Mech I know to double and triple check things because peoples lives were at risk with the types of machines I repaired.
The nut for said linkage was gone!
Coming from the back there was no way for the linkage to come out and all worked great on the way home so I dindnt notice it then. I looked all over where I worked on it just in case but not there anywhere then traced my ride to the house and back out of the driveway, nothing. Looked for a metric but to fit, nothing. Now I was upset that I have to make a 50 mile round trip for a but today in my van to be safe but as I went out this morning walking Thunder then doing my pull ups looked over at my inversion table and said, " that looks like the size I need". Took it off and sure enough it is and its a locking but like the one on the controls was supposed to be and I had just enough room to get a lock washer on it and I used blue lock tight also. Its on there now and isn't coming off.
This had nothing to do with the other problem, completely unrelated. The only thing I can think is because I had that one on and off a couple times to get the rest working properly that the nylon locking part came out and I only snuged it up so the little vibration of the short ride loostened it up and off it went somewhere. All is good now and I can replace the one I took off the inversion table with a 1/4" but and bolt and it will be good to go.
The moral of the story, don't trust used lock nuts an make sure they are tight. That was the only one I didn't go back and retighten because it looked good and was a locking but. Never assume!

There are flat spots on the "Ball" side of the linkage end that can be held with a small wrench while you tighten the nut on. Get it good and tight without the Ball turning, you wont damage the "Ball" on the joint.

just want to make sure you know that.

 

[Bobolto]

There are flat spots on the "Ball" side of the linkage end that can be held with a small wrench while you tighten the nut on. Get it good and tight without the Ball turning, you wont damage the "Ball" on the joint.

just want to make sure you know that.

Here's a pic.

See how I am holding the "Ball" of the joint with a second wrench in the back while i tighten down the nut in front with the crescent wrench.

 

[pastordave1]

There are flat spots on the "Ball" side of the linkage end that can be held with a small wrench while you tighten the nut on. Get it good and tight without the Ball turning, you wont damage the "Ball" on the joint.

just want to make sure you know that.

Yes, that part I got, thanks. noticed it while i was tightening it on install.
And that was the one that was missing when I got home.

 

[Bobolto]

Yes, that part I got, thanks. noticed it while i was tightening it on install.
And that was the one that was missing when I got home.

i cant imagine that Nylock Nut coming off even if you only had it on by 5 threads and not all the way on during the 1st install... hmmmmm

 

[pastordave1]

One thing I noticed too that's not such a big deal but off a bit nevertheless is the stop bar for the brake return stop bolt is off by half a bolt, the head of the bolt only hits on the edge of it? no possible way of changing the except to find someone to weld a larger nut on top of the bolt head. it works, just concerned it may eventually bend the bolt, because it's such a small bolt, and cause it to go past the stop. Or put something bigger over the post so more of the bolt hits it?

 

[pastordave1]

i cant imagine that Nylock Nut coming off even if you only had it on by 5 threads and not all the way on during the 1st install... hmmmmm

That was my thought, that's why I searched for a long time the place i installed it to see if somehow I had a brain """"" and missed it but couldn't find it anywhere.
Especially such a short drive without much vibration it's very hard to imagine it coming off.
Pray I'm not loosing it in my old age!

 

[Bobolto]

One thing I noticed too that's not such a big deal but off a bit nevertheless is the stop bar for the brake return stop bolt is off by half a bolt, the head of the bolt only hits on the edge of it? no possible way of changing the except to find someone to weld a larger nut on top of the bolt head. it works, just concerned it may eventually bend the bolt, because it's such a small bolt, and cause it to go past the stop. Or put something bigger over the post so more of the bolt hits it?

Didnt notice that on my install and my bike isnt home right now to look at.

Not sure if you adjusted the height of the brake pedal if that would help that.

After the install did you make any adjustments to the brake Pedal height *and* adjust the brake light
adjuster so the brake light comes on almost immediately while beginning to press the brake pedal? you checked all that right?