DragoonDragoon said:My cousin, whom after 31 years on the force, is about to retire from the deputy police chiefs job in one of Canada’s major cities. He has said for the better part of 20 years, that as a Canadian, if you really want rights, break the law and get caught. He was not being facetious. If someone breaks into your house, and then the dog bites them, they can and DO sue you. We had an incident In Canada where some one had broken into a jewelry shop, then got cut very badly on is way out of the broken window and actually used the security tapes as evidence in his law suite. The UK sound rational compared to that. :shock:
It is a commonly known fact amongst those of us in the security industry ( I was years ago), that folks will be robed of stuff worth next to nothing, like a 20 year old TV, and then in 45 days, they are robbed again, of all the new stuff that their insurance replaced new. This is true for cars especially in places like Canada where we have replacement value policies. I had a ten year old bike stolen, it was a classic to me and worth nothing to anybody who didn’t know about bikes, but they took the chance that I had replacement value, which I did. They broke in again about 2 months later to supposedly steal the new bike, but I had yet to replace it. They were caught on camera this time around and arrested. I never got my classic YICS Seca 650 special edition back. Some how I cant seem to find replacement insurance down here in SoCal.am not a proponent of gun ownership, but the fact remains that if Martin had telephoned the police and told them he had intruders, they would have told him to lock himself safely in a room until the intruders had left. Then, a couple of weeks later, they might have turned up to take a statement.
It's plain bonkers on a stick!
Did we not have a good samaritan law a few years back that was enacted in a few states( which was the basis for the final episode of Seinfeld )downinit25i said:I'm having trouble articulating myself, but...
This is all so crazy. To me, it's telling criminals that their actions aren't wrong. If a cop isn't going to even try to chase and stop a criminal, then what is that besides condoning the act and what job am I paying this guy to do?
I understand they don't want the guy to kill himself as he's riding away on a stolen dirt bike, but that thief threw away his rights as soon as he broke the law. As long as they don't run him over in a squad car, I don't see how it could be their fault. I hate the lawsuit society that we're building these days. This is in the same vein of stupid as "McDonald's made me fat." No it didn't, YOU made you fat!
Stardate 01/25/07Seems to me that is one were to speak of lawsuits that these folks would have a valid case against the police themselves at the very least and more to the point it seems that there would be very good grounds to find theses officers criminally liable.. imagine that jailing cops for not doing there job..what a concept!
old adage..two wrongs do not make a right. It is pitiful that two officers are in jail for doing their job, yet it is no excuse for others not to do theirs..amend that , it is more then pitiful it is sickening, but par for course in these pc times. We could go on all night about the armed forces being tied from doing the job etc etc. Bottom line yo get what you pay for, these current situations are the result of years and years of average Americans being alseep at the switch as far as being watch dogs over their public servants.Dragoon said:Stardate 01/25/07Seems to me that is one were to speak of lawsuits that these folks would have a valid case against the police themselves at the very least and more to the point it seems that there would be very good grounds to find theses officers criminally liable.. imagine that jailing cops for not doing there job..what a concept!
Two ICE officers are sitting in jail for shooting an illegal after he was found crossing the border with a truck full of marijuana. Local accounts (from here in San Diego, site of the atrocity.) are that when he was stopped, he tried to ram the officer who was standing in front of him. He was warned to stop and as he left his car and headed back towards the border, he took a non fatal bullet to the leg.
Both face life sentences. What incentive does anybody have to join ICE let alone do the job once they have. Then there is the WBC ( the Phelps family and their 1st amendment rights), need I say any more?
Agreed, 100%. I just arrived in this fine country and cant yet reach the switch, but if i could!!!!!CrazyDave said:old adage..two wrongs do not make a right. It is pitiful that two officers are in jail for doing their job, yet it is no excuse for others not to do theirs..amend that , it is more then pitiful it is sickening, but par for course in these pc times. We could go on all night about the armed forces being tied from doing the job etc etc. Bottom line yo get what you pay for, these current situations are the result of years and years of average Americans being alseep at the switch as far as being watch dogs over their public servants.Dragoon said:Stardate 01/25/07Seems to me that is one were to speak of lawsuits that these folks would have a valid case against the police themselves at the very least and more to the point it seems that there would be very good grounds to find theses officers criminally liable.. imagine that jailing cops for not doing there job..what a concept!
Two ICE officers are sitting in jail for shooting an illegal after he was found crossing the border with a truck full of marijuana. Local accounts (from here in San Diego, site of the atrocity.) are that when he was stopped, he tried to ram the officer who was standing in front of him. He was warned to stop and as he left his car and headed back towards the border, he took a non fatal bullet to the leg.
Both face life sentences. What incentive does anybody have to join ICE let alone do the job once they have. Then there is the WBC ( the Phelps family and their 1st amendment rights), need I say any more?
cycleheart1100c said:CRAZY DAVE FOR PRESIDENT!!
who said I was having fun? I am completely serious and counting on your voteStradBiker said:OK, this seems to be getting out of hand. I'm all for fun, but I have to say that this thread seems to show what's wrong with the political climate in this country today. While I don't agree with what the British police *didn't* do with regard to the helmetless bikers, it's a WAAAAY long stretch for me to agree with those who consider "liberal" to be a dirty word.
It is interesting, however, to see where this topic has gone...
Did I miss something, I believe only the candidate mentioned Liberal in any respect. To some it is a bad word, as conservative is to others. But that’s not the point I was trying to emphasize.StradBiker said:OK, this seems to be getting out of hand. I'm all for fun, but I have to say that this thread seems to show what's wrong with the political climate in this country today. While I don't agree with what the British police *didn't* do with regard to the helmetless bikers, it's a WAAAAY long stretch for me to agree with those who consider "liberal" to be a dirty word.
It is interesting, however, to see where this topic has gone...
Dragoon said:Stardate 01/25/07
Two ICE officers are sitting in jail for shooting an illegal after he was found crossing the border with a truck full of marijuana. Local accounts (from here in San Diego, site of the atrocity.) are that when he was stopped, he tried to ram the officer who was standing in front of him. He was warned to stop and as he left his car and headed back towards the border, he took a non fatal bullet to the leg.
Both face life sentences. What incentive does anybody have to join ICE let alone do the job once they have. Then there is the WBC ( the Phelps family and their 1st amendment rights), need I say any more?
Sorry, CrazyDave, I'll ride with you any time, but I don't think I could vote for ya....CrazyDave said:who said I was having fun? I am completely serious and counting on your vote
As much as I like that, that would be a true infringment on a personal right. no one should be forced to ride a bike.However I would be inclined to offer a program that woul allow reduced insurance rater to those drivers who take an educational motorcycle course that includes riding timeDragoon said:Did I miss something, I believe only the candidate mentioned Liberal in any respect. To some it is a bad word, as conservative is to others. But that’s not the point I was trying to emphasize.StradBiker said:OK, this seems to be getting out of hand. I'm all for fun, but I have to say that this thread seems to show what's wrong with the political climate in this country today. While I don't agree with what the British police *didn't* do with regard to the helmetless bikers, it's a WAAAAY long stretch for me to agree with those who consider "liberal" to be a dirty word.
It is interesting, however, to see where this topic has gone...
I am politically agnostic…but I do believe everybody should have to ride motorcycles for a year to give them more respect for us who chose to ride when they eventually retire to their cages. Can we add that to the campaign CD?
That's cool, I would not respect you otherwiseStradbiker said:Sorry, CrazyDave, I'll ride with you any time, but I don't think I could vote for ya
You got my vote, and I want to be on your "Presidential Staff" Let's get it on!CrazyDave said:who said I was having fun? I am completely serious and counting on your voteStradBiker said:OK, this seems to be getting out of hand. I'm all for fun, but I have to say that this thread seems to show what's wrong with the political climate in this country today. While I don't agree with what the British police *didn't* do with regard to the helmetless bikers, it's a WAAAAY long stretch for me to agree with those who consider "liberal" to be a dirty word.
It is interesting, however, to see where this topic has gone...