[jwinker]

Had several cops over on brew day, all nice fellers, some my friends...

Ultimately, this is your concern...

Cops are people, too. If the law exists, and you're doing something stupid, they'll respond. If the law exists and you're being responsible, they'll ignore. In the case of "private property" like Home Depot Parking lots, they have a jurisdiction hurdle to address. Unless you're doing something obviously dangerous, they're not going to waste their time...

That said, if something tragic happens, there is also going to be a law on record saying you, as an individual, are not allowed to do that. This would prevent an student from retaliating against anybody *other than you* for putting them on a motorcycle in a public place. The laws make sense, it's what we do with them that decides if they are overstepping or not.

 

[John Hopkins]

John, do you realize that in Texas, it is illegal to drink standing up?

I totally agree with your sentiment. With our laws, I think at the worst case, they could ride up and ticket my wife for riding without a permit or license even though she is just learning in a big empty parking lot. But most of the po-po I know in these parts would likely get out and help me give her pointers. I think even the AMA has had big issues with some of our laws though as they are so vague.

that has to be a joke.. but there are some pretty unbelievable laws around..

And although there are some good natured common sense cops around here, I would say they are more likely to turn a blind eye rather than get involved.. there are some asses around who would say cop number xxx said it was ok for me to do this, to the next cop who pulled him..

John.

 

[Wombatair]

It's not too bad in practice, all new bikes with a double seat have grab rails as do all the shadows.. you can either have two loop rails, one on each side or one loop at the back.. as long as the passenger can reach them it is ok.. our laws go further, we have to be insured to carry a passenger and the passenger must wear a helmet.. we can not teach someone to ride in a supermarket car park unless they have passed a CBT test and have a learners license.. but these are laws I can tolerate.. I don't like the fact that I am forced to wear a helmet and to carry a spare one with me in case I pick up a hitch hiker, I don't like to pay extra insurance, and I don't like speed traps on highways but those are our laws now and I can live with them.

John.

Is it a traffic offense?

Well teaching someone to ride in a parking is going to be a tough one. Because depending where you are.
e.g: your friend has a parking lot he said you can use it, cop drives up. Can he give you a ticket? Well no.. he's trespassing and you ask him/her to leave before you have him arrested for trespassing!!

Supermarket lot are Private parking lot. So were is the jurisdiction.
Now city land, but IS that not public land and not a road.

Plus my insurance does not STATE either way on passenger carry yet I am allowed too.

Something is not right about that, constitutional hell basket.

 

[John Hopkins]

Ultimately, this is your concern...

In the case of "private property" like Home Depot Parking lots, they have a jurisdiction hurdle to address. Unless you're doing something obviously dangerous, they're not going to waste their time...

In this country a private carpark like Home depot is considered public because it is open to all the public, so drivers have to wear seat belts, riders have to wear helmets and if the cops see you without they will book you to make their quota..

John.

 

[Mark-B]

Common sense application of law, it's how it should be.. Coming back from California last Sunday, got caught up in heavy highway traffic heading through Phoenix.. Everybody is moving at least 20mph above the speed limit, I tried doing the speed limit one time - many years ago - and was nearly killed for it, so, you learn to go with the flow...

Anyway.. No-way can the police effectively slow down traffic handing out tickets, so they will just park and hang out by on ramps with thier blue and whites flashing..

It works... It slows down traffic.. It's not about the tickets, it's about the safety.. Love to see that kind of policing..

 

[pixelpusher]

John, do you realize that in Texas, it is illegal to drink standing up? .

Why is this not the focus of the discussion?
(i am drunk and sitting down….)

 

[vito]

Ultimately, this is your concern...

Cops are people, too. If the law exists, and you're doing something stupid, they'll respond. If the law exists and you're being responsible, they'll ignore. In the case of "private property" like Home Depot Parking lots, they have a jurisdiction hurdle to address. Unless you're doing something obviously dangerous, they're not going to waste their time...

That said, if something tragic happens, there is also going to be a law on record saying you, as an individual, are not allowed to do that. This would prevent an student from retaliating against anybody *other than you* for putting them on a motorcycle in a public place. The laws make sense, it's what we do with them that decides if they are overstepping or not.

+1.

If you are in a lot that is not near houses...the chances are slim that the police will get a call about "some wild ass biker making a ton of noise" in the lot next door.

Also, if you are geared up to some extent, and have 1/2 tennis balls forming lanes and curves, or maybe a cone or two....All depends on the perception the police would get if they drove by or got called tot he scene.

I have a school near me where they run the Motorcycle Safety Course, so the lot is painted with all the boxes/lanes/curves. I practice there a few times a month in the summer.

 

[Theja1]

In this country a private carpark like Home depot is considered public because it is open to all the public, so drivers have to wear seat belts, riders have to wear helmets and if the cops see you without they will book you to make their quota..

John.

In the US, that would be private property's that unless something blatantly illegal was going on, the police could do nothing. Them entering it would be trespassing at the discression of the owner.


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[2500hdon37s]

Yea, the amendment and law is broken into many sections. Malorie's Law is for all motorcycles including sport bikes now here in Texas, which the broad law states that a sport bike is a really really fast bike that can make really fast turns and go fast. And you can lean over the gas tank. Basically... I guess it all started a few years ago when a girl holding on to her boyfriend who was riding on a sport bike, well he and the bike went one way in a turn and she went the other. It didn't end well.

Transportation Code, is amended to read as follows:
SUBCHAPTER M. ADDITIONAL OR ALTERNATIVE EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR
MOTORCYCLES, [AND] MOTOR-DRIVEN CYCLES, AND SPORT BIKES
SECTION 6. Subchapter M, Chapter 547, Transportation Code,
is amended by adding Section 547.803 to read as follows:
Sec. 547.803. SAFETY EQUIPMENT. If a motorcycle, including
a sport bike, is designed to carry more than one person, the
motorcycle must be equipped with foot pegs and handholds for use by
a passenger on the motorcycle.

No, the bike she was riding on got run off the road by a truck and she was knocked off the bike by a road sign!


the whole law is really stupid IMO, it is simply the family of the now passed on girl trying to blame the motorcycle for her death. They need to take a look and see who is really to blame, their daughter and the driver of the bike.

 

[2500hdon37s]

In the US, that would be private property's that unless something blatantly illegal was going on, the police could do nothing. Them entering it would be trespassing at the discression of the owner.


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Nope, same goes in the US as well. If a business is open to the public during business hours the parking lot is considered public property as far as traffic offenses go.

 

[Theja1]

Nope, same goes in the US as well. If a business is open to the public during business hours the parking lot is considered public property as far as traffic offenses go.

We were discussing when businesses are not open. Then it's a private lot on private property. During business hours, yes, it would be considered a public area on private property.


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[jpr1968]

Is it a traffic offense?

Well teaching someone to ride in a parking is going to be a tough one. Because depending where you are.
e.g: your friend has a parking lot he said you can use it, cop drives up. Can he give you a ticket? Well no.. he's trespassing and you ask him/her to leave before you have him arrested for trespassing!!

Supermarket lot are Private parking lot. So were is the jurisdiction.
Now city land, but IS that not public land and not a road.

Plus my insurance does not STATE either way on passenger carry yet I am allowed too.

Something is not right about that, constitutional hell basket.

Police can ticket in parking lots. The town police here hand out tickets in a lot by my house for running stops signs and the signs are all over the shopping center.

 

[jpr1968]

In the US, that would be private property's that unless something blatantly illegal was going on, the police could do nothing. Them entering it would be trespassing at the discression of the owner.


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Tell that to all the people that get stop sign violations at the Home Depot by me. Unless the property is gated it's fair game for police and they aren't trespassing.

 

[Bobolto]

Tell that to all the people that get stop sign violations at the Home Depot by me. Unless the property is gated it's fair game for police and they aren't trespassing.

The suburban chicago (suburbs not Chicago) cops are driven to give tickets like bears are drawn to raw meat (or Salmon ... lol) :-x

 

[jpr1968]

I don't think they're any worse then any other place. But if you don't do anything wrong then it shouldn't matter.

 

[Bobolto]

I don't think they're any worse then any other place. But if you don't do anything wrong then it shouldn't matter.

I lived the the Chicago Burbs for 45 years, Mesa Arizona 13+ years.

its worse in the suburbs of Chicago in terms of tickets being given, much worse.

and it they don't get you for that they'll get you for not feeding the toll booths.
certain surburbs are worse than others, dupage county is among the worst.

 

[Theja1]

Tell that to all the people that get stop sign violations at the Home Depot by me. Unless the property is gated it's fair game for police and they aren't trespassing.

I never said that you didn't have to follow traffic laws, i.e. posted signs.

Maybe in your communist state the gated thing is all that counts, but I've been with cop buddies of mine when told to get out of a parking lot of a closed business. You leave or get charged with trespassing. They didn't like us practicing on our bikes on there lot because of Liability if one of us wrecked. Didn't care that two cops on police bikes were with us.


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[jpr1968]

I never said that you didn't have to follow traffic laws, i.e. posted signs.

Maybe in your communist state the gated thing is all that counts, but I've been with cop buddies of mine when told to get out of a parking lot of a closed business. You leave or get charged with trespassing. They didn't like us practicing on our bikes on there lot because of Liability if one of us wrecked. Didn't care that two cops on police bikes were with us.


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Unless there are no trespassing signs, they can't do squat other then tell you to leave. I can understand that they don't want to be responsible if someone got hurt.

 

[Theja1]

Unless there are no trespassing signs, they can't do squat other then tell you to leave. I can understand that they don't want to be responsible if someone got hurt.

Um, they can call the law and have you forceably removed or arrested. That's just a bit more than "squat".

And you don't have to have any signs. They mean nothing. Well, maybe they do in Illinoistan...


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[PACKY]

So much advice, opinion, uncertainty... I better not get involved in this debate or I might be served with a Subpoena to attest to statements written = when you look at the word Subpoena, it is derived from Latin: Sub means 'under', and poena means penalty or penis. In other words Subpoena means they 'got you by the balls'.
Then again, maybe it would be more understanding if the same laws apply in all the states, like one size fits all, and it might be easier to understand without all the hullabaloo? Nobody knows all the laws, nobody... you simply must know where to find the laws that apply after the fact and how to interpret the words used!
Common sense helps 'most of the time', but not always.
Just my interpretation in general. Now, to consider how to take my armless friend for a ride - oh, the bike has to have a hand held device, but it does not have to be in use or does it? Oh hell, I'm going to Degan's in downtown York to have a refreshment - it's a stand-up bar, no seats because the nut cases would always throw them through the window!!!