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#1 ·
Just bought a 2002 750 Shadow. The previous owner had taken off the stock seat and replaced it with a custom seat that was lower for his wife. So, when I bought it, he took the custom seat off and put the original one back on. The problem is there is a small screw that goes into the passenger seat up through the rear fender, and he forgot to put that screw in. I called him and he claims he "can't find it". You think the dealer would have it? I think there is like a bracket that fits up under the passenger seat that the screw goes up into? Its not like the seat is going to fall off, but the passenger part of the set is not secure.
 
#4 ·
You said it's a small screw, and we know it's metric. So go to your local ACE hardware or Home Depot and get a couple of screws, say 4mm and 5mm, fine pitch, in the approximate length, and see if one of them fits. If not, get one size larger or smaller as necessary. The entire project will cost you about a quarter and you will know where to go for any screws, nuts or bolts you may need in the future.
 
#8 ·
adlowe said:
The bolt probably goes down into the fender rather than up through it. Does the seat look like the one in this image? If so, you need part #6 -- $2.06 plus shipping from Ron Ayers, $1.85 + shipping from Honda Parts Direct and likely about $2.25 from your local Honda dealer -- with delivery time about the same for all 3.
Seems to me that both Honda and adlowe need to get their terminology straight.

A bolt passes through a hole of larger diameter than its thread, and is held in place by a nut or similar device; IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE TURNED. What is often referred to as a bolt is in fact a cap screw, which is designed to be turned (or screwed). Cap screws may, or may not be used with nuts. The distinction is subtle, but significant in the design of the fastener. If threaded all the way to the back of the head a cap screw becomes a machine screw.

Looking at the ronayers.com diagram, the seat is indeed held in place by a screw, regardless of the source of terminology for the listing.
 
#9 ·
I'm with the Ace Hardware suggestion. That bolt on my Sabre was pressed in but also stripped out. I drilled out the boogered up bolt and slipped in an Ace metric bolt and wheee!
 
#12 ·
In a pinch i went to the local IKEA Warehouse. All of their furniture is from Sweden and metric by design. They have boxes of spare fasteners both screws nuts and bolts. i explained my need and they provided a metric fastener FOC and wished me luck with my repair. My Mustang seat has been fittin fine for the past few months due to the charity of the Swedes.
 
#13 ·
PaleRider1966 said:
adlowe said:
The bolt probably goes down into the fender rather than up through it. Does the seat look like the one in this image? If so, you need part #6 -- $2.06 plus shipping from Ron Ayers, $1.85 + shipping from Honda Parts Direct and likely about $2.25 from your local Honda dealer -- with delivery time about the same for all 3.
Seems to me that both Honda and adlowe need to get their terminology straight.

A bolt passes through a hole of larger diameter than its thread, and is held in place by a nut or similar device; IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE TURNED. What is often referred to as a bolt is in fact a cap screw, which is designed to be turned (or screwed). Cap screws may, or may not be used with nuts. The distinction is subtle, but significant in the design of the fastener. If threaded all the way to the back of the head a cap screw becomes a machine screw.

Looking at the ronayers.com diagram, the seat is indeed held in place by a screw, regardless of the source of terminology for the listing.
Don't pick on me! I don't care what the thing is called; the parts list clearly identifies it as a bolt rather than a screw.

But, and maybe this is being picky, if you use a nut to hold a machine-threaded screw in place does that magically turn the screw into a bolt?
Or if you twist a bolt through a hole in a piece of sheet metal (like a fender), does that magically turn a bolt into a screw?
Do I have to know how I'll be using the fastener before I can determine whether it's a bolt or a screw? And if so, how does the guy selling it to me know how I'll be using it so he can put the right sign up in his store?
And does turning a hex head bolt turn it into a screw? Void the warranty? Invalidate it's function as a fastener?
Oh, this is so confusing! It so good that we have someone here who knows ALL the answers. :D
 
#14 ·
Not to add another layer of complexity to this enlightening conversation, but I believe that technically a bolt or screw which is damaged or broken in the process of fastening or unfastening is called a #$*%%&*@^#!
 
#16 ·
adlowe said:
PaleRider1966 said:
adlowe said:
The bolt probably goes down into the fender rather than up through it. Does the seat look like the one in this image? If so, you need part #6 -- $2.06 plus shipping from Ron Ayers, $1.85 + shipping from Honda Parts Direct and likely about $2.25 from your local Honda dealer -- with delivery time about the same for all 3.
Seems to me that both Honda and adlowe need to get their terminology straight.

A bolt passes through a hole of larger diameter than its thread, and is held in place by a nut or similar device; IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE TURNED. What is often referred to as a bolt is in fact a cap screw, which is designed to be turned (or screwed). Cap screws may, or may not be used with nuts. The distinction is subtle, but significant in the design of the fastener. If threaded all the way to the back of the head a cap screw becomes a machine screw.

Looking at the ronayers.com diagram, the seat is indeed held in place by a screw, regardless of the source of terminology for the listing.
Don't pick on me! I don't care what the thing is called; the parts list clearly identifies it as a bolt rather than a screw.

But, and maybe this is being picky, if you use a nut to hold a machine-threaded screw in place does that magically turn the screw into a bolt?
Or if you twist a bolt through a hole in a piece of sheet metal (like a fender), does that magically turn a bolt into a screw?
Do I have to know how I'll be using the fastener before I can determine whether it's a bolt or a screw? And if so, how does the guy selling it to me know how I'll be using it so he can put the right sign up in his store?
And does turning a hex head bolt turn it into a screw? Void the warranty? Invalidate it's function as a fastener?
Oh, this is so confusing! It so good that we have someone here who knows ALL the answers. :D
Hey.......if I can't pick on YOU, who CAN I pick on? :lol: