Hello does anyone have this user manual.
Or what other model of bike similar. Thank you.
Or what other model of bike similar. Thank you.
Honda shadow 150cc GLC : user manual
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As far as I can see the PCX is showing up as a current model, at least in some markets, as are the others, all current models as of 2024, all different 150 cc engines.
I was saying that the GL150 Cargo is probably using many of the same engine components as what we were discussing, the Shadow 150, except that it looks different (has different cases) and has different rated horsepower.
I understand what you are saying, and it makes sense, but it is demonstrably not the case. I posted what is clearly at least 2 variants of 2 completely different 150 cc engines, some water cooled, some air cooled. Honda makes 110cc engines, 125s, 150s, 160s, and various others in sub 200cc sizes. With multiple factories in multiple countries producing motorcycles for different markets, with different legal and market requirements, they build what will be profitable in each sizable market. Their factory in Argentina is making different bikes than their factory in VietNam, which makes different bikes than their several factories in India, and very few of the models any of these produce, will ever show up in the USA.
In India, where 8,743,000 motorcycles were sold between April and December of 2023,
(compare this to total USA 2023 sales of 547,000)
90% of all bikes sold in that period were less than 200cc.
75% of all bikes sold were less than 125cc.
There's room in these sales volumes for considerable diversity in engine offerings, and that's just one country.
Also, one thing we've learned from the Shadows, is that Honda isn't afraid to offer a lot of internal diversity, even with an engine series that in physical appearance and specification, appears to be identical. Try swapping a dual pin VT1100 engine for a single pin, and find out.
"In India, where 8,743,000 motorcycles were sold between April and December of 2023,
(compare this to total USA 2023 sales of 547,000)
90% of all bikes sold in that period were less than 200cc.
75% of all bikes sold were less than 125cc."
Well damn with numbers like that they can make as many small engine variants as they want. 75% under 125cc. I can't imagine riding that. My electric bike is so small and light that it sometimes feels dangerous to ride in heavy wind. And it would leave any sub-200cc bike in the dust. It would feel like riding my electric, but the battery is dead and im towing the Lyft lawsuit land whale. You would have to push it up hills. Give it a running start at stop signs. 2-up means 2 bikes. The good thing is you could send your 8 year old to the store on your bike and not worry about him hurting himself.
Most US citizens can't imagine. But, I'd suggest that it is WE, here in the USA, who are the oddballs. The idea that big, heavy, cruiser bikes are the norm seems to exist only here. Examine the local Honda website for any other country (like the Costa Rican one I linked to for the Shadow 150 specs), or this one from South Africa, and notice how many models are unfamiliar, (and smaller). Motorcycles | Showroom.
Even Europe rides a different mix of machines. Compare the models that are sold in France to what we are offered in the USA: Motos
Sure, they get offered 2 different Gold Wings, against South Africa's single Wing model, but we get our choice of 3!. And what is a Hornet 750 or a Hornet 500? What they are NOT are models sold in the USA. Meanwhile, the French buyer is not even offered the choice of a Shadow, a Fury, or a Rebel 1100T.
Look at what the folks in any strongly moto-centric culture are riding, like in Vietnam, where motorcycles outnumber cars by better than 10:1, and you'll see small is the preferred choice. Find the HD wanna-be, BIG bike in this picture of traffic in a Vietnam city street intersection.
Personally, I think we North Americans are missing out on some very useful, practical models, because we have decided, without ever actually riding one, that they are inadequate. I have ridden several, and I think that if one doesn't NEED to ride expressways, a sub 200cc motorcycle might be quite adequate. My 150cc scooter is my best load carrier, and, although its ~9.5 hp vs my 230lbs make it slower off the line at the red light than any car driver who is isn't looking at their phone, (about half of them), it still beats any car traveling from point A to B, because it is entirely unhindered by traffic backups. It can go ~60mph, which is crazy faster than urban traffic, and will get almost 100mpg, doing it.
If you are just riding around town, no highway, no long trips in the country, 150-200cc would be fine. It would feel a bit under-powered on some streets around here where the speed limit is 55mph and everyone does 70+ But most of the streets speed limit is 35. My electric bike is great for running errands around town. Something like a 250 Nighthawk or a 150-200cc scooter would be fine too. I actually really like the newer model Supercubs, but being 125 it's not practical for me. I couldn't take it out of town, and in town my electric would be better.
But they said 75% of bikes are UNDER 125! So they are talking about 100cc, 80cc, 50cc...
Now that's a different story. That might be a great beginner bike... If the beginner is 10 years old. Put an adult man on an 50cc Africa Twin and see how long it takes before it's on Craigslist. Imagine packing 100lbs of gear onto a 50cc adventure bike and taking it to the Outback. You would end up having to abandon all your gear and carry the bike back.
I think you are perhaps ignorant of the fact that the size of adult men is another thing that varies from place to place.
Average height for men and women worldwide
How tall is a person? Comparison of height, weight and BMI of women and men in 126 countries. Heredity and nutrition as the most important factors.
www.worlddata.info
If the average guy is 5'5", and weighs 140lbs, that's a big difference from what I see riding Harleys here in the midwest.
And of course, different countries have different road systems with different requirements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_India ( 110 kph MAX on expressways is 68 mph)
Nobody has been talking about 50cc bikes. We were discussing 150cc Hondas, specifically your claim that there existed only ONE honda 150 engine. Exaggerating to make your point adds nothing to your credibility, and detracts considerable. Besides, if you spent more time researching and less time sharing poorly informed opinions, you'd already know that Honda is stopping production of all 50cc products, except perhaps for childrens off road machines.
Honda to cease production of iconic 50 cc mopeds in 2025 | The Asahi Shimbun: Breaking News, Japan News and Analysis
If you did a little exploring on U-Tube, you'll see plenty of folks having adventures on 125 and 150cc sized machines. The more off road riding involved, the more light weight is a benefit, and the less important raw power is. We have a thing that lets the smallest capacity machine go up hills, it's called gears. And, lighter machines are a lot easier to push out of mud, nimbler to go over and around obstacles, and do a lot less damage to themselves and you when you drop them.
As for the unsuitability of 50cc machines, THESE are the people you need to convince. They seem totally unaware that it's impossible to ride these little bikes for hundreds of miles across deserts and mountains, so have been doing it for a number of years.
Monkey Run - The Adventurists
www.theadventurists.com
You are the one who posted:I think you are perhaps ignorant of the fact that the size of adult men is another thing that varies from place to place.
Average height for men and women worldwide
How tall is a person? Comparison of height, weight and BMI of women and men in 126 countries. Heredity and nutrition as the most important factors.
If the average guy is 5'5", and weighs 140lbs, that's a big difference from what I see riding Harleys here in the midwest.
And of course, different countries have different road systems with different requirements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_India ( 110 kph MAX on expressways is 68 mph)
Nobody has been talking about 50cc bikes. We were discussing 150cc Hondas, specifically your claim that there existed only ONE honda 150 engine. Exaggerating to make your point adds nothing to your credibility, and detracts considerable. Besides, if you spent more time researching and less time sharing poorly informed opinions, you'd already know that Honda is stopping production of all 50cc products, except perhaps for childrens off road machines.
Honda to cease production of iconic 50 cc mopeds in 2025 | The Asahi Shimbun: Breaking News, Japan News and Analysis
If you did a little exploring on U-Tube, you'll see plenty of folks having adventures on 125 and 150cc sized machines. The more off road riding involved, the more light weight is a benefit, and the less important raw power is. We have a thing that lets the smallest capacity machine go up hills, it's called gears. And, lighter machines are a lot easier to push out of mud, nimbler to go over and around obstacles, and do a lot less damage to themselves and you when you drop them.
As for the unsuitability of 50cc machines, THESE are the people you need to convince. They seem totally unaware that it's impossible to ride these little bikes for hundreds of miles across deserts and mountains, so have been doing it for a number of years.
Monkey Run - The Adventurists
"In India, where 8,743,000 motorcycles were sold between April and December of 2023,
(compare this to total USA 2023 sales of 547,000)
90% of all bikes sold in that period were less than 200cc.
75% of all bikes sold were less than 125cc."
My response was clearly talking about the "75% less than 125cc".
But you then pretend to think i'm talking about 150s. And you pretend that being able to push your bike out of mud makes it a practical bike for everyday use. By that logic the most practical bike would be one you can carry on your back. You can't ride it, but it won't get stuck. I don't think the average rider wants to go on a Monkey Run adventure every time they ride to the store or work.
As you said:
"Exaggerating to make your point adds nothing to your credibility, and detracts considerable."
Yes, an adult man technically CAN ride a 50cc bike. I've seen them do it in carnivals and parades. It is physically possible. That doesn't make it a practical form of transportation.
I should have just let you stop at this point, at which you were open to admitting there was something you didn't know. That would have been just as productive and taken a lot less effort on my part.
Just FYI, the VT125C, Vee Twin, had the smallest displacement of any machine marketed under the Shadow name, that I know of. It was however, more powerful and, I believe, physically larger than, the Shadow 150.
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Can I please get a copy off that 2 just got one looking everywhere for one
Glad it helps. Good community here.
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