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Honda Vs. Harley

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#1 ·
I just sold my 05 Harley Sportster but I still have my 05 1100 Shadow Spirit.
I am getting up in years and I don't need two bikes.
I let my son talk me into getting the Harley. I have been riding since 1966 and had a number of bikes. I spent more money on the Harley than all of my other bikes put together for parts and repairs. My Honda is a low maintenance bike compared to the Harley. It is also quieter and smoother.
Just sounding off.
Jack
 
#2 ·
Same here... Harley is Great for the Sunday afternoon cruise. The rest of the week its me and my Shadow.
 
#4 ·
each brand has their perks..id love to own a harley electra glide,or heritage softail or a bagger one day because i love the beefy bikes..i really wish they were water cooled though,but after thinking about it,ive never had any problems with dirt bikes that were air cooled and i rode in mud all day in 80+ degree weather..ive never heard any one that i know who owns a h.d say theyre bike has ever overheated...
i do also love the low maintenance of my shadow,but what exactly makes a harley higher maintenance bike?
one day i would love to have a vtx1300 r or s model too...
 
#5 ·
The 'amount' of maintenance on a HD isn't more, but the cost can be. Brand recognition comes with a price and HD owners will pay that price.
The newer HDs have what is called 'parade mode', the front cylinder shuts down when the throttle is twisted forward slightly at start-up. Also known as 'Shriner mode'. This eliminates any overheating concerns.
 
#6 ·
The 'amount' of maintenance on a HD isn't more, but the cost can be. Brand recognition comes with a price and HD owners will pay that price.
The newer HDs have what is called 'parade mode', the front cylinder shuts down when the throttle is twisted forward slightly at start-up. Also known as 'Shriner mode'. This eliminates any overheating concerns.
yes that is true..for 1 qt of harley davidson name brand oil, h.d charged a 14$ i know it took at least 3-4qts..i mentioned to a buddy to do it himself,he said naww..ill pay to let them change the oil..150$ for oil change/filter and adjust if needed primary belt. his front tire i believe is the same size as mine,100/90/19,,i told him you dont have to buy the same tire,you can buy other brands cheaper,,nope..had to say h.d on the tire. gotta love that harley davidson brand name parts..lol
 
#13 ·
True DILLIGAF man right there!

One of these days I've got to at least try out an HD, just to see what the hype is all about. I think the whole negative stigma has to be just that, there's no way a manufacturer could've stayed a float this long by producing a poor product, even with a strong image.
 
#10 ·
I think you get more bike for the bucks with a Honda. I tried out a Road King, and ended up settling for an older Shadow. Partly because I'm a cheap ass and don't like financing anything, and then becuase the shadow didn't cause my hands to go sleep from all the vibration!
I'm not sure where you get "more" bike for your buck. Whay exactly are you comparing?

As far as financing, not everyone has to, really depends on your finances. I paid in full on delivery.

You also obviously have never ridden a Softail. The engines are solid mounted but are Counter Balanced. Not a single vibration. Road Kings are rubber mounted and shake like there's no tommorow at idle but smooth out when riding.

I rode my 1998 Shadow Ace from 2002-2006 and depending on how long I rode I had to shake my throttle hand once in a while. Not complaining but just the way it is I guess.


Mike
NY
 
#9 ·
Maintenance costs aren't any higher for a Harley if you do it yourself. Take it to the dealer and yeah, you're gonna pay out the a$$. Took my Heritage for the first oil change/inspection after I bought it, they wouldn't give it back till I paid $305.:shock: I just about $hit myself. Now that I've got a garage again, I do all my own maintenance work. Oil costs the same at Auto Zone or Advance.. They don't care what it goes in..
 
#11 ·
Been riding since '66 or there abouts myself. Back in '84 I use to ride with a group of buddies and we'd often trade bikes for however long we could tolerate each others machine.

I had a new Suzuki 650 (shaftie) and switched with a bud who had a new HD XLH Sportster. To this day I've never ridden another Harley. Not that I wouldn't. I haven't had the opportunity. But my memory of the Sportster I can only compare to riding a roller coaster off the tracks. After an hour or so I felt like a jack hammer on steroids. I know they make 'em more rider friendly these days but my lord -- what a shake down that was. The worse thing was my buddy would not give me back the Suzuki. It was actually pretty funny and I have fond memories.

But please lord, don't take away my 'Spirit'. ;-)
 
#16 ·
+1

I have really looked at Harley over the years. I've read reports. I've talked to people. HD has been kept alive by their trademark "name" for decades. There are so many other flavors of V-twin cruisers out there that, quite honestly, blow HD right off the road. ...and for about $3000-$4000 less!!
 
#18 ·
i've got a buddy that rides his dad's 1995(i think, not sure of year) 883 sportster. i over heard him talkin' with another member in our group when he was gonna get his own bike and if he was goin' to get another harley.. his reply,"why yes! once you've been on the best, why would you ride anything less!"

now my buddy really doesn't know anything about motorcycles(probably doesn't know what kind of oil he uses).. but harley already has him...

harley's marketing team is one of the best in the world, that obvious.

it's all about the name "Harley Davidson" and the "so-called" feeling of ridin' a harley. some people actually feel that if they ride a harley, everyone else ridin' something that isn't a harley is ridin' an inferior machine.. when that is not the case at all. my vtx would walk all over several harley davidson models in several different categories... but my vtx doesn't have that "so-called" allure that harley riders seek. but.. it does just fine for me though.
 
#19 ·
From the HD forums, this says it all...


"now that i will agree with, but not because it has anything to do with build quality or even styling. no, other bike manufacturers are jealous (or should be jealous) of HD because Harley Davidson has one of the most successful marketing campaigns the world has ever seen. the fanboi-ism displayed by harley riders (and wannabe harley riders) is a marketing agency's wet dream come true. HD has an image that's been cultivated for nearly a century and strengthened with ties to specific parts of american history. *that* is what other manufacturers cant compete with, and that's why they should be jealous. the rest of that stuff -- build quality, styling, whatever -- is all moot because it's so subjective."
 
#20 ·
Oh geez... Ok. Folks like it or not, your Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawis are Harley clones, counterfeits, wannabes.. face it, if not for Harley Davidson there would be no Honda Shadows or VTX's.. there would also be no Victorys and aftermarket customs like Big Dog etc.

You say your ( insert model here ) can run rings around a comparable Harley? In some cases yep, in some you are simply blowing smoke out of your butt.. and that is in stock form.. add in the unequaled aftermarket support and ANY Harley can be turned into a fire breather that will leave your stock non Harely metric looking like a boat anchor.. and the thing is, you have no where to go to play catch up ( where are the 113 cubic inch motor kits for your Spirits, ACE's and Sabres.. right..no where )

Ask any neophyte what V Twin just passed them, and no matter what it actually was they will most likely recognize it as a Harley. Need a part.. if you have a Harley you most likely won't have to wait three weeks for it to be delivered because someone local will probably have it on hand.

Stop justifying why you own your choice of bike by trying to degrade another.. just be happy and ride.
 
#35 ·
Oh geez... Ok. Folks like it or not, your Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawis are Harley clones, counterfeits, wannabes.. face it, if not for Harley Davidson there would be no Honda Shadows or VTX's.. there would also be no Victorys and aftermarket customs like Big Dog etc.

You say your ( insert model here ) can run rings around a comparable Harley? In some cases yep, in some you are simply blowing smoke out of your butt.. and that is in stock form.. add in the unequaled aftermarket support and ANY Harley can be turned into a fire breather that will leave your stock non Harely metric looking like a boat anchor.. and the thing is, you have no where to go to play catch up ( where are the 113 cubic inch motor kits for your Spirits, ACE's and Sabres.. right..no where )

Ask any neophyte what V Twin just passed them, and no matter what it actually was they will most likely recognize it as a Harley. Need a part.. if you have a Harley you most likely won't have to wait three weeks for it to be delivered because someone local will probably have it on hand.

Stop justifying why you own your choice of bike by trying to degrade another.. just be happy and ride.
Definitely the best, thought out response in this thread so far..

One of the major reasons I like my HD over my Honda, I've looked everywhere and can't find a set of cams for my Spirit.:mad: It's Intake filter, Pipes and a Jet kit, then you're beat. With my 96", the possibilities are endless..:-D
 
#21 · (Edited)
I've never owned or ridden a H-D but that's not to say I won't someday. They've done a great job of building an extrememly loyal customer base which I think most would agree is based more on image than actual product. All the mid-life crisis people with cash to burn are willing to pay whatever it costs for an image of not what they actually are but of what they want to be perceived as. They want to be accepted as part of a group or culture for what it represents not for the actual enjoyment of it. The more it costs to buy-in the more exclusive they feel and anything other than what they have can never be as good. I know that is an extreme generalization and does not represent all H-D owners but I think it represents enough of them that it has become a stereotype. That said, a company can't last as long as H-D has on marketing alone and until I have personal experience riding one I'll have to assume the product is good. For now my Shadow is perfect for my needs and I'll enjoy it until that changes :)
 
#24 ·
Harley's are beautiful machines. Now I love my Vegas but looking at that Softail above my post, its like looking at a Picasso and clip art. Just look at that engine.

I may get corrected on this...but my Honda 750 (which retailed for about the same as a 883 - again "RETAIL") had a lot of plastic in places that were metal on a Harley. Turn indicators, front fender, airbox cover, etc. You can say "they don't make them like they used to" about a lot of things but Harley build quality has only improved since the 80s and 90s.

Sure marketing drives a price premium, as does huge overhead at retail locations but there are elements of build cost and quality of materials that keeps the Harley price tag out of some peoples reach.

Now I chose a Victory over a Harley because I was sold on the power plant and perceived lower cost of ownership (i.e. dealer maintenance costs). I certainly wouldn't be ashamed to ride an HD especially the one pictured above.
 
#25 ·
CrazyDave,

Oh geez... Ok. Folks like it or not, your Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawis are Harley clones, counterfeits, wannabes.. face it, if not for Harley Davidson there would be no Honda Shadows or VTX's.. there would also be no Victorys and aftermarket customs like Big Dog etc.
I think you have it backwards. If not for the quality of the Japanese bikes in the 1970s, Harleys would all still be leaking oil and parts would still be falling off.

That said, Harley now makes great bikes, the do an outstanding job of marketing them, and many people love them. They have no allure for me, but many people love them.
 
#27 ·
CrazyDave,



I think you have it backwards. If not for the quality of the Japanese bikes in the 1970s, Harleys would all still be leaking oil and parts would still be falling off.

That said, Harley now makes great bikes, the do an outstanding job of marketing them, and many people love them. They have no allure for me, but many people love them.

Nope.. The Jap bikes of the seventies where no better just way cheaper..little history lesson here, after they big for decimated the English motorcycle market by swamping it with their motorcycles they started the same thing here. They didn't just sell bikes, they sold them at or below cost for one purpose,, destroy Harley.. and it almost worked. The leaky falling apart stereotypical Harleys you speak of were of the seventies AFTER Harley was purchased by AMF
 
#28 · (Edited)
OK, I'm guilty, guilty of bias times a billion. I like Hondas. Wait a minute,..............................is it because I have one?

Pretty darn good bike I would have to confess.

I've never owned or operated a Harley, but I've had to deal with Harley riders in my day. Yes, I said it, had to tolerate them. My goodness, where do they get such big egos? :p:!::p

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#29 ·
OK, I'm guilty, guilty of bias X a billion. I like Hondas. Wait a minute,..............................is it because I have one?

Pretty darn good bike I would have to confess.

I've never owned or operated a Harley, but I've had to deal with Harley riders in my day. Yes, I said it, had to tolerate them. My goodness, where do they get such big egos? :p:!::p

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The same place everyone else does.
 
#31 ·
I bought a Honda because it got me on the road. I kept my Honda because it kept me on the road. I have much enjoyed the nearly maintenance free ride that I have.

Although...

When I walk into a Harley-Davidson dealership....I drool. And the only reason I spend every night in the library at college studying, is so that someday I can own them ALL!!

I'll always remember my low maintenance/bullet proof Honda though.
 
#32 ·
I was raised on the back of a Goldwing. My dad took me touring everywhere when I was a kid. So Honda is just in my blood. I think HD is no more than just an Image. They are awesome American Made bikes. But you end up paying an arm and a leg just for the Name.
 
#36 ·
crazy dave hit the nail on the head... I would love to have a 2012 StreetGlide... I plan to have a Harley one day for sure... as for now, I got a great deal on my '04 1100cc Sabre, and I'll keep/ride it till the thing has to be scrapped out. When that time comes I hope to be able to afford a new HD. And yes, I've had the pleasure to be on the back of a harley, and I found it to be a pleasant experience. Yet, There are pros and cons to each and every bike...even between models of the same make... such is life, we can't have it all in one package. Compromise is something everything has. Don't matter what you ride, so long as you ride.
 
#37 ·
JBourquin it is for you I post this

Or rather repost it..sort of. I posted that the story of this bike was in Iron Horse BC about a week back, with little response.. no gearheads were reading that day I guess.

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It is a 1974 Ironhead Sporty, and it was the quest of one man to build a fast reliable one out of a beater.. It ( as of the article ) boasts 90 hp, 80 something ft lbs of torque, a posted 11:75 1/4 mile time and despite constant tuning and drag racing the owner claims at least three cross country trips.

Harleys unreliable? Harleys slow? nah, any serious Honda chop builders should understand.. Harleys are cool.. most all bikes are in their own way. And most every bike has it's own funkiness.

I ride a Honda, I have had my own ups and downs with The Factory but as of yet I have never been ashamed to have Harley Davidson tattooed on my flesh.
 
#39 ·
There is a HUGE amount of hype around Harleys, and the "image" and all that....
Harley-Davidson has a wildly successful marketing campaign, too....

But just my $0.02, from a guy who has never owned a Harley, in fact a while back swore I would NEVER own a Harley just due to all the hype/hatred factors around the brand, I had an interesting experince about a year ago.

There was a demo day at the local Harley shop here, and I had never ridden a bike bigger than my SV650 up to that point. So, taking advantage of the opportunity, I though I would just see how "bad" these bikes really are.

I rode a 1200 Nighster (slammed Sportster), and a 2011 Super Glide.
Not so impressed with the Nightster, it shook hard at idle, had very very little give in the saddle, and the suspension was non-existent in the back. Oh, an the throttle was stupidly touchy....couldn't even move my thumb to turn the right turn signal without the bike lurching all over...right hand turns where just dangerous, I gave up on using that side turn signal, lol

But as soon as I got the Super Glide on the road, I understood.

Harley has an image, true. But that's not the main attraction for me. It's not the flashy paint, or the very heavy, solid feel to the controls and switches (which I loved). It's not even just the "sound"....

It's presence.

Like, not intimidating, or offending. But, ask any guy who loves the classic muscle cars (Camaros, Vettes, Mustangs, Chargers, Barracudas, etc). Many new cars can go faster, farther, stop and turn easier, use less gas, require less maintence, etc, but there is just SOMETHING about the old cars that draws us in. Back to where chrome was king, where the engines were as big as a desk, and fit in cars so big you and your buddy could BOTH fit in the engine bay along with it. No computers, tune-ups used screwdrivers and timing lights, and you pulled your plugs every weekend to read them and tune your 3 carbs.

These cars didn't have "performance" handling, could really run only in a straight line, and stopping could be as much of an adventure as turning. But those cars "spoke" to you, you would go cruising just to hear the engine run, feel the night air, and the vibrations through the wheel and the floorboards.
Those cars could run fast, and they were "real" cars. They were rude, crude, loud, uncivilized, and could scare the pants off you! 100 mpg really "felt" fast, with a 4:10 rear end, straight pipes, and zero sound dampening. Today's cars can do so much more, yet are just applicances (generally speaking), with no real "feel" to them. (Though there are exceptions...Boss 502 Mustange comes to mind.)

Anyway, back to the bikes. That's the appeal to me for the Harleys, at least the big twins. Start the engine, and the whole bike jumps, and vibrates, you can "feel" the bike wake up. Rolling down the highway, there is less vibe, but still, the "feel" of the machinery working is there. And then the carefully tuned Harley sound, again, brings back the feelings of those old cars rumbling along.

Only car guys might understand what I am trying to say, but that's what Harley is trying to capture, and they have, for quite a bit of us. It's a classic car feel, only you can buy it brand new, and find parts easily for it. Harleys are also a lot cheaper than those cars...Have you seen the going rate for a really nice '69 Hemi Charger these days? not many people can fork out 1-2 million for a "like new condition numbers-matching" classic musclecar just to cruise with on the weekends.

Ok, long post, but just trying to explain the unexplainable here.